human nature - inherently good or evil?

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  1. bhaktajan

    bhaktajan Active Member

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    You are refering to Ego.

    Personality is the Goal of Living Soul.

    Personality is the Summon Bonum of the reson for creation.

    God, by definition is the Supreme Personality whence Persona Springs from.
     
  2. bhaktajan

    bhaktajan Active Member

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  3. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    Soul is temporary.

    Persona is a fraud, God is the only true being, each persona is his leela.

    Please do not correct me.
     
  4. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku Mercuræn

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  5. bhaktajan

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    The soul is as Stated by Krishna in the Bhagavad-Gita:

    From The 2nd Chapter of the Gita (Verse Numbers shown):
    16 Those who are seers of the truth have concluded that of the nonexistent the material body there is no endurance and of the eternal the soul there is no change. This they have concluded by studying the nature of both.
    17 That which pervades the entire body you should know to be indestructible. No one is able to destroy that imperishable soul.
    18 The material body of the indestructible, immeasurable and eternal living entity is sure to come to an end; therefore, fight, O descendant of Bharata.
    19 Neither he who thinks the living entity the slayer nor he who thinks it slain is in knowledge, for the self slays not nor is slain.
    20 For the soul there is neither birth nor death at any time. He has not come into being, does not come into being, and will not come into being. He is unborn, eternal, ever-existing and primeval. He is not slain when the body is slain.
    21 O Partha, how can a person who knows that the soul is indestructible, eternal, unborn and immutable kill anyone or cause anyone to kill?
    22 As a person puts on new garments, giving up old ones, the soul similarly accepts new material bodies, giving up the old and useless ones.
    23 The soul can never be cut to pieces by any weapon, nor burned by fire, nor moistened by water, nor withered by the wind.
    24 This individual soul is unbreakable and insoluble, and can be neither burned nor dried. He is everlasting, present everywhere, unchangeable, immovable and eternally the same.
    25 It is said that the soul is invisible, inconceivable and immutable. Knowing this, you should not grieve for the body.
    26 If, however, you think that the soul or the symptoms of life is always born and dies forever, you still have no reason to lament, O mighty-armed.
    27 One who has taken his birth is sure to die, and after death one is sure to take birth again. Therefore, in the unavoidable discharge of your duty, you should not lament.
    28 All created beings are unmanifest in their beginning, manifest in their interim state, and unmanifest again when annihilated. So what need is there for lamentation?
    29 Some look on the soul as amazing, some describe him as amazing, and some hear of him as amazing, while others, even after hearing about him, cannot understand him at all.

    Are you expecting a SVENGHALI MEDAL ?????????
    Do you recognise a Svenghali when you intimate one?

    Here's the lesson of a lifetime:
    . . . "would either fawn or bully and could be grossly impertinent . . .
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svengali
     
  6. luecy7

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    I hope I did not toy with your tool without your approval. When and where did I do this? :confused:
     
  7. luecy7

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    It is just how you read it.

    No. People can only honestly objectify themselves. You are trying to falsely characterize.

    If you think you are loving an entire population that you do not individually know, and do not individually interact with, then your love is confined to your imagination at best. While sitting solo in a room meditating for your own pleasure / enlightenment, you think you are loving someone?

    I certainly find it false to deny responsibility and pretend that one's own feelings or behavior are someone else's responsibility. However, I think you have a related problem: associating the feelings or behavior of others with your actions.
     
  8. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    So, everything I have done, every life I have saved, every life I could not save...was for naught? Who are you?

    Last time I checked, life was a precious commodity, and the Soul was potenially eternal...I think Jesus said as much...

    v/r

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  9. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    that is untrue, and unfair. you have no idea what Cup O is about. you lash out and try to hurt folk, you know nothing about. Stop, please. I am asking you to stop. You have so much to contribute to this forum...don't waste it.

    v/r

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  10. luecy7

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    So then a train wreck for you. What statement, true or untrue, fair or unfair, hurts you? Honestly?
     
  11. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea An ordinary cup of tea

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    Q is only sticking up for me, which is nice to know. Lunitik can't say anything to hurt me but Q didn't know that. It's all good, all the time.
     
  12. luecy7

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    Thank you. I wasn't sure if you were claiming to be hurt or not. Good to know. So then Q had fabricated untrue statements in the same manner as what he accused Lunitik of.
     
  13. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    Essentially, yes. Everything you have encountered in your life is something your soul has learned from, has grown from. Ultimately, though, your soul will return to God and whatsoever you have done as a separate being will be only the contrast to that union. It is somewhat like playing a part in a movie, it is gripping to the audience, enjoyable to the actor, but he must return to his true life afterwards - religion is about discovering our true life, that we have never been distinct from God, we are simply an aspect of That.
     
  14. Etu Malku

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    That's odd . . . since there is no god! :D
     
  15. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    It is ironic that in this request you actually ask me to not act on anything I can contribute to the forum - yet you do not realize it. I have not attempted to hurt anyone, and in fact the "you"'s in the statement weren't even directly related to him. I have said "by doing this you" or similar, thus I am speaking about the underlying reason for such things in a general way.

    I really wish you wouldn't overreact so much because it makes it difficult to express anything here.
     
  16. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    When I say God I mean existence itself, the whole... what you encountered when you experienced at-one-ment, that oneness.

    I understand you are against this, but the thing is existence doesn't really care what you like and dislike about it, it simply is as it is. Whether you like it or not, God is the very reason you are alive this moment to dispute his existence...

    That said, I do not uphold God in the same way Christians or other faiths do, and I do not feel there are any obligations implicit in this recognition.
     
  17. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    Put another way, God doesn't exist, God is existence.
     
  18. IowaGuy

    IowaGuy Hunter-Gatherer

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    Pantheism.
     
  19. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    To be accused of being a failure, would probably hit the mark...but then, proof would to be had to back it up.
     
  20. Quahom1

    Quahom1 What was the question?

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    No, I spoke my concerns about one trying to belittle another. There is nothing untrue about that statement. But I see Cup Of Tea is quite in his element and on his game, so that is a relief to me. As for others here, I would simply like to have dialogue without the personal confrontation. I abhore conflict...

    v/r

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