Luciferianism

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  1. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku Mercuræn

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    I've posted this in another thread, but thought it deserves to be here for discussion and comments.

    I am 50 yrs old and have been interested in comparative religions since I was 10, I was raised loosely as Protestant, but that didn't last very long. I then gravitated towards Taoism, as I grew older, philosophy and psychology became my interests and I found myself questioning everything.

    I have been a member of a few "Alternative" religions, used to be a professional musician, and now find myself drawn to Agnosticism and Luciferianism. Below is my understanding of the Luciferian Principle.


    Lucifer is a collective name for Spiritual Freedom, it is about Gnosis. It may be easier to think of this as a philosophy embracing the Luciferian Principle instead of a religion worshiping a Fallen Abrahamic Angel.
    I will attempt to explain.

    Non-Theistic Luciferians, as myself, are not concerned about Abrahamic symbolism, we follow the Jungian theory of archetypal images such as devils, gods, demons, angels etc., and that they can be used as symbols towards stirring the Psyche in order to assist the momentarily change in our objective universe. This is ritual as we all know it.

    The term Lucifer in fourth century Latin was a name for Venus, the Morning Star. The Latin word Lucifer is composed of two words: lux and lucis, (meaning "light") and ferre, which means "to bear" or "to bring." So, the word Lucifer translates to "Bearer of Light".

    The word Lucifer is found in the Christian bible (Isaiah 14:12)
    . . . and has been incorrectly understood to mean the Fallen Angel, when in fact it is referring to the King of Babylon
    Lucifer is not an Adversary as the word Satan (Shaiten/ha-satan) describes. Lucifer is the 'Bringer of Light' in other words Lux Lucis / gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge. Luciferian Principles bring us the Truth and our Freedom of Will, shows us the way to either be One with God/Objective Universe or to be a god ourselves (apotheosis).

    Luciferians do not worship Satan or Lucifer for that matter, we worship our Higher Self. The Adversary is a trans-cultural archetype which existed long before Christianity began in the form of Samael, Ahriman and the feminine aspect being Lilith.

    Through the Luciferian principle, humanity first climbed down from the trees and it has represented the flow of progress ever since. But Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself!

    The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light! A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.

     
  2. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Alright, would asking what the difference in the processes of Jungian individuation for males vs females be a derail of this thread?
     
  3. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku Mercuræn

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    I've got just the thread for you . . . ;)
    Look in Philosophy!
     
  4. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Thank you!
     
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    Most people are not well educated on occult matters , and they think luciferianism is devil worship . I think of my self as a new ager , it sounds better to lesser educated people . desert rat
     
  6. Etu Malku

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    Yep, you're right! Which is why I came here to try and explain about it a little bit. I guess the biggest problem many religious people have with both Luciferianism and Satanism is that we don't believe in a god, or gods, or anything supernatural (angels, demons, devils, djinn etc.)
     
  7. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    I must say that I find aspects of Luciferianism fascinating.

    But there are some truly bizzare and odd sexual rituals associated with it at least in my limited reading around the subject.

    Also what makes you even think its possible to be God Yourself and not return to oneness with God ?
     
  8. IowaGuy

    IowaGuy Hunter-Gatherer

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    More bizzare than circumcision? (cutting off nerve cells on a sexual organ). More bizzare than the requirement that the teacher of a religion (priest) not have sex for his entire life? More bizzare than the requirement than women cover their faces and bodies, lest they cause sexual desire in males? More bizzare than the requirement that one cannot use birth control methods?

    And, where do you think the term "missionary position" comes from?

    I think bizzare sexual rituals can be found in almost any religious tradition. Either encouraging sexual exploration (some of which can be seen as bizzare), or discouraging sexual exploration (equally bizzare to me).
     
  9. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    Yeah pretty Bizarre to my mind at least

    http://azjeh666.angelfire.com/ADAMU.pdf

    but i see your point.
     
  10. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku Mercuræn

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    Some people on the Left Hand Paths practice Tantric yoga, or perhaps other sexual rituals, but other than that it isn't a prerequisite or anything.

    Speaking as an agnostic, I really have no proof. As a Luciferian I have faith in this process, let me explain.

    For me the Universe is made up of the objective universe (OU) and the subjective universe (SU). The OU is what most theistic religions call God/The Absolute/ etc. The SU is separate from the OU, it is our mind, our imagination.
    Most seek to become One with the OU, with what is the definable universe, it exists in time & space. Thos of us on a Left Hand Path seek to separate from this OU and become One withour SU/ imagination.

    A god of our own paradigm and not a part of any other's paradigm.

    Not sure if I made sense or not with this . . . :confused:
     
  11. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Actually, I think the (unspoken) goal of many religions might be to become collectively subjectively unified. :eek:
     
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    "collectively
    subjectively unified" . . . could you elaborate on this, please?
     
  13. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Of one mind--like at the tower of Babel. :(
     
  14. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku Mercuræn

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    Ah ha! :D
    This may be where the LHP (Left Hand Path) differs most from other religions, we seek to be individual, unique, and not part of a Collective Mind, not influenced by anything other than our Self.
     
  15. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    I really have difficulty with the Western (which I consider as India and west) classifications of right hand path and left hand path. I see the left hand as holding the bow, and the right hand as holding the arrow--the left as love, the right as righteousness.

    I'm trying to understand the Western view, but it is difficult.
     
  16. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku Mercuræn

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    Are you familiar with Vamachara?

    The Left Hand Path is one strand of alternative spirituality and dark magic is a form of Left Hand Path spirituality.

    The terms Left Hand Path and Right Hand Path refer to two different ways of relating to and approaching the numinous. The left side stands for chaos, darkness and freedom” and the right side stands for “order, light and restriction”. The biggest difference between the paths is to be found in the view they represent of purity and morality. Left Hand Path Tantra views everything as manifestations of the divine, and thus even that which is traditionally viewed as impure and demonic is holy.

    In the west the Left Hand Path is usually used for the occultists whose goal is self-deification with a maintained individuality, whereas the Right Hand Path is used for the occultists striving for a union with the divine with a resulting resolution of the magician’s individuality.

    - taken from the Dragon Rouge
     
  17. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Etu,

    when is see your avatar Picture [lucifer - fallen angel] I am reminded

    of Kinnaras:


    As wriiten in the Sri Caitanya Caritamrta Vol Antya Chap 9 verse 8:

    "The inhabitants of the seven higher planetary systems -- including the demigods, the Gandharvas and the Kinnaras -- and the inhabitants of the seven lower planetary systems [Patalaloka], including the demons and serpentine living entities, all visited SriCaitanyaMahaprabhu in the dress of human beings."

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    "One day, Brahma, the creator of the living entities, beheld his own reflection in the water, and admiring himself, he evolved Kimpurusas as well as Kinnaras out of that reflection." [SIZE=-2]Srimad-Bhagavatam 3:20:45[/SIZE]


    "From the description given in this verse, Garuda appears to belong to the Kinnara planet. The inhabitants of the Kinnara planet have the same features as Garuda. Their bodily features are like those of a human being, but they have wings. The word gita-kirtih indicates that the inhabitants of Kinnaraloka are very expert in singing the glories of the Lord. In Brahma-samhita it is said: jagad-anda-koti-kotisv asesa-vasudhadi-vibhuti-bhinnam. In each and every universe there are different types of planets, and each planet has distinctive features. On the strength of this verse, we can understand that in Kinnaraloka the inhabitants can fly with their wings. There is also a planet, known as Siddhaloka, where the inhabitants can fly even without wings. ." [SIZE=-2]Srimad-Bhagavatam 4:30:6[/SIZE]


    "The mention of upadeva-vara refers to inferior demigods like the Gandharvas, Kinnaras and Uragas, who are not exactly demigods but between the demigods and human beings." [SIZE=-2]Srimad-Bhagavatam 4:3:5-7[/SIZE]

    The Hare Krsnas - Classes of Demons - Celestial Singers and Kinnaras

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    And of course there are the "Apsaras" too.
    Kinnara Kingdom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
     
  18. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    You can only purify yourself--you can't purify someone else, hence the need for individuality. However, you can forgive others who are seeking to purify themselves as a means of resolution.
     
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    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Wiki to the rescue!

    N. N. Bhattacharyya explains the Sanskrit technical term Ācāra as follows:
    "[t]he means of spiritual attainment which varies from person to person according to competence.... Ācāras are generally of seven kinds -- Veda, Vaiṣṇava, Śaiva, Dakṣiṇa, Vāma, Siddhāṇta, and Kaula, falling into two broad categories -- Dakṣiṇa and Vāma. Interpretations vary regarding the nature and grouping of the ācāras. It is generally held that those who participate in the rituals of Five Ms belong to the category of Vāmācāra."[1]
    Vāma means "pleasant, lovable, agreeable" and Dakṣiṇa means "south". Facing the rising sun towards east, Dakṣiṇa would be the right side. For this reason, the term Vāmācāra is often translated "Left-hand practice", while Dakṣiṇamārga is translated as "Right-hand practice". An alternate etymology is that it is possible that the first word of the expression Vāmācāra is not vāma or "left", but vāmā or "woman". N. N. Bhattacharyya notes that a main feature of the Tantras is respect for the status of women as a representation of Shakti, and that if this was the original conception underlying Vāmācāra the opposing term Dakṣiṇācara may have been a later development.[2]
    An alternate term Vāmamārga ("Left Path") is also used[3]. In this compound the ambiguity between vāma and vāmā is not present because the final "-a" in Vāmamārga is clearly short.​
    In Buddhist temples (no I have never been in one) whichever gate you enter by is considered to be the west gate. The temple is arranged thusly:

    Akṣobhya (east)

    Amoghasiddhi (north)
    Vairocana (principal deity/ meditator)
    Ratnasaṃbhava (south)

    Amitābha (west)








    The Five Dhyani Buddhas represent the transformation of 5 different skandas. The one on the right would be Buddha Ratnasambhava--representing the transformation of the skanda of greed and pride into the Wisdom of Equality, with the characteristic of giving being prominent, whereas on the left is Buddha Amoghasiddhi, who represents the transformation of the skanda of envy and jealousy into All-Accomplishing Wisdom, with the characteristic of fearlessness (and some wrathfulness) being prominent.



    I can understand this division of right-hand and left-hand, although I think I just continued straight passed Vairocana in the center (Zen koan: if you find the Buddha on the road--kill him) and am proceeding straight towards Aksobhya in the east (purification of anger, hate and aggression into Mirror-Like Wisdom.)
     
  20. Nick the Pilot

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    Regarding the five Dhyani-Bodhisattvas (Dhyani-Buddhas), I would add that there will be a total of seven Dhyani-Bodhisattvas, and that Vairocana is the 'Head' Dhyani-Bodhisattva. Amitabha Dhyani-Bodhisattva (Amida Buddha) has millions of followers in Asia, Gautama Buddha is an 'emanation' of Amida Buddha, and Maitreya (the next Buddha after Gautama) is an 'emanation' of Amoghasiddi.
     

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