Luciferianism

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  1. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Amoghasiddhi, in the north (left) is also more attached to mental formations/conceptual thinking, which could correspond with the Western LHP of subjective universe, whereas Ratnasambhava in the south (right) is more attached to sense data/feeling, which could correspond with the Western RHP of objective universe.

    Methinks I might be beginning to understand! :)
     
  2. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    *doh* Substitute the word klesha (poison) for skanda (heap/aggregate) in the above post! *doh*
     
  3. Etu Malku

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    All very nice information . . . yet, has nothing to do with Luciferianism or its philosophy.
     
  4. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Hey, I need to add my own subtitles from the Tao Te Ching when reading Plato's discourse on the World of Forms in order to get it to click. Sorry. :eek:

    Now that I have some sort of framework to work from in understanding the differences between RHP and LHP, I have a place to start understanding more.
     
  5. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku Mercuræn

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    Isn't that all possible within your mind before it is regurgitated to the rest of us?

    Shall I spew forth everything in the latts 50 years that makes up my understanding of Life?
     
  6. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Sorry. I thought you might let me know if I was on the right track or not. I'll shut up now.
     
  7. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Surely this is not the response of one who has asked mods to ban folks that are not playing well in the sandbox.:eek:

    appears the one hand does not know what the left hand path is doing or anarchy is onesided?
     
  8. Etu Malku

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    Besides the fact it is usually against the rules to discuss Mod interaction (though I see very little Mod interaction here), that would be none of your business.

    There are plenty of other threads to opine, the reason I created this thread, where I did, was for just that reason . . . not to be bombarded with other religious beliefs, but to discuss Luciferianism and its 'relation' to other religions.

    Perhaps I misunderstood Seattlegal's reply.
     
  9. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Mayhaps you did. If you'd like to discuss I would think inquiry would be part of it.

    You may also want to comment on the discussion prior...

    http://www.interfaith.org/forum/luciferianism-2874.html
     
  10. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    OK, to make sure I understand what you mean by LHP and RHP, in non religious terms, LHP is more about "be all that you can be" and RHP is more about "finding your right niche?"
     
  11. IowaGuy

    IowaGuy Hunter-Gatherer

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    IG's attempted translation:

    LHP: "orgy or masturbation, it's all good" (define your own morality and break taboos)

    RHP: "either missionary position or abstinence" (specific moral code and avoid taboos)
     
  12. Etu Malku

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    RHP seek to atone with god/nature
    LHP seek self deification and separate from god/nature

    RHP Thy Will Be Done
    LHP My Will Be Done
     
  13. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Okie dokie then. {I'm beginning to think my confusion is because I don't identify with either one, but that's my own personal hang up.}

    So this self-deification would be something beyond seeking to become a deva or a jiva?
     
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    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    My belief system also uses the phrases:

    the right-hand path (seeking a higher level of consciousness and spirituality)

    the left-hand path (going in the direction of selfishness)
     
  15. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Is there a specific cosmology associated with Luciferianism?

    How does Luciferianism define this cosmos that they want to separate from, and how do they define where they want to go?

    Is there some sort of mechanism in place that they can check to make sure they don't wind up in an immaterial plane composed only of mind like the 4 immaterial planes of Buddhist cosmology inhabited by devas,
    ...or wind up in a scenario like in the movie Total Recall?
     
  16. Etu Malku

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    I personally define the cosmos through science. The objective universe is what we refer to as god, it is this from which we attempt to separate from.
     
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    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    OK, this might sound like a far out question: if you change the laws of the physical universe, like you can do in dreams, that then be a sort of separation, or are you looking for a total separation instead of just a takeover?
     
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    That is exactly what I am talking about.
     
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    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Okie dokie. Brings up an old question, eloquently put forth by Shakespeare

    Hamlet Act III, Scene 1 (modern translation)
    Hamlet
    To be, or not to be, that is the question.
    Is it nobler in the mind to suffer
    The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune
    Or to fight against a sea of troubles,
    And end them by fighting? To die, to sleep,
    Nothing more, and by sleeping, to be able to say we end
    The heartache, and the thousand natural shocks
    That the body gets as part of life is an ending
    To be wished for very earnestly. To die, to sleep,
    To sleep! Perhaps to dream. Yes, there's the catch,
    For what dreams may come in that sleep of death,
    When we have left this life on earth,
    Must make us stop. There's the respect
    That makes a mess of long life,
    For who would bear the whips and scorns of time,
    The oppressor's wrong, the proud man's insults,
    The pangs of rejected love, the law's delay,
    The inexperience of office, and the disdain
    That patient merit takes from the unworthy,
    When he himself might his final settlement make
    With a bare, sharp knife? Who would bear these burdens
    To grunt and sweat under a weary life,
    Except that the dread of something after death,
    The undiscovered country, from whose borders
    No traveler returns, puzzles the mind,
    And makes us bear those problems we have
    Rather than fly to others that we don’t know about?
    In this way, a conscience can make cowards of us all,
    And in this way the natural color of making up your mind
    Is covered with the pale shadow of thinking,
    And projects of great substance and significance,
    And in this regard, their movement turns erratic,
    And lose the name of action. Wait!
    The fair Ophelia! Nymph, in your eyes
    May all my sins be remembered.​

    This is not meant to be a hijack--Shakespeare is asking the same questions I would--but he has been proven to be quite proficient at stirring up those things in the psyche.
     
  20. Etu Malku

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    Is it better to bear the painful burden of life, or to refuse the burden by killing yourself?

    Life is so full of pain, why do we continue to live when we could just kill ourselves and end the pain? The only thing stopping us is our fear of the unknown, our fear of Death.

    Religion is based on this fear, when you no longer have religion, you no longer have this fear.
     

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