If God spoke again, would you listen?

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  1. ResistETIntervention

    ResistETIntervention New Member

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    I do not know much about hinduism. However, don't Christians regard Jesus as God, even though Jesus never proclaimed that he was? Is this the case with Krishna as well?

    Yes, Soma. It is the deeper intelligence that God has imbued within us that "speaks" to us when we can still our minds. It would not be voices however. Rather, what we "hear" will become manifest as our deeper insights or in our experiences.

    What Radamark is saying, if I'm not mistaken, he hears male and female voices that answer his questions. This is not the way God would speak to individuals. People who hear voices speaking to them must observe objectively with utmost clarity and sobriety, in order to see what is talking to them. It is understandable that they would want their experiences to be divine in nature and their longing to connect with God has finally been materialized. However, they must understand that there are forces present in this world now, that would seek to use such religious tendencies and desires for their own benefits. People want to see or hear divine experiences, so they will be granted what they want to see or hear. It takes a greater sobriety to recognize this as is.
     
  2. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    Thanks, Soma. Spot on. :D


    RETI, you are misreading and misrepresenting me and the majority of religious peoples (look up Hinduism or Krishna or send a PM to bakhtajan). You should have done your research before you posted. G!D (nether female nor male, therefore I use H!s or H!r or G!d or G!dess with equal frequency) and, specifically how G!D speaks to people (how many examples do you want?) is a pretty widely shared concept. A quiet and still voice within.;)

    I believe that is a surer path then reading some master channeling someone or something I do not experience and taking it on faith. Read carefully through this thread and you will find that while I do state I speak to G!D, I never state this in anything but a metaphorical or mystical or mythical sense. You are falsely putting words in my mouth.:p

    The one to be questioned is he who says that a billion or more people are wrong because they believe (interpret the words in their scriptures) that Krishna or Jesus and G!d are the same thing and said so in plain words. Your claim may or may not be true (trust me it is not, there is plenty of good reasons to believe both Krishna and Jesus said "I and H!" or the equivalent). :eek:

    Then you go one to also define (if I read your train of thought correctly) that one who trads the same path as say Laotzi, Hui-neng, the Besht, al-Hallaj, George Fox, Rufus Jones, or Matthew Fox “hears voices” and (by inference) are wishful, subjective, and intoxicated. In a mystical or mythical sense perhaps, but never in an empirical sense.:cool:

    It is real easy, RETI, one must justify (rationally, empirically, scientifically) why a belief that some individual is G!D is not justified. HINT: watch out, the criteria will apply to you too.:rolleyes:

    One must justify why the knowledge and experience that G!D is all about us (in every new born foal and every complex equation). HINT: the same justification will apply to your claims.:rolleyes:

    One must justify why experimental knowledge (a phrase of George Fox) of G!D—“a seed within”, “a still voice within”, “a light within”, “the H!ly S!irit within”, “that of G!d within”—is (to use your words) “pathetic”. At the higher, metaphysical (in the classic philosophical sense) is one can meet and experience the D!vine.:p

    It is my opinion that denying that channel of communication is the whole reason why modernism and modern cults fail. They deny that a single individual can meet or otherwise commute with the D!vine. This is the sickness of modernity.:(

    That is logically what your position is, along with some yet unspecified definition of what you think communication with the D!vine is. You blatantly claim that all Hindus and Christians who believe Krishna or Jesus is D!vine. State that an individual path to G!d is “pathetic”. Yet claim some kind of (as yet unspecified) need for unity and, furthermore that this need (which apparently you alone know) is what G!D “must address”.:eek:

    Some mysterious web presence (RETI) has the right and ability to define what G!D is, how individuals can communicate with the D!vine, and what message G!d should be delivering. Am I misreading what you are saying?:confused:

    Again, take the beam out of you own eye before pointing out the mote in another’s.;)
     
  3. ResistETIntervention

    ResistETIntervention New Member

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    We live at a time when we must challenge ourselves and reconsider many things: scientific theories that have been upheld for some time, religious beliefs founded upon a human God or God of this world, and life outside this miniscule world in vast space of the physical universe.

    Christians regards Jesus as God, though that was not the claim of Jesus himself. God is God of all creations in all worlds, of all universes, and of all dimensions. God does not micromanage any individual's affairs or problems.

    So, let me rephrase my question. Are you hearing voices in your head that are not of your own, Radarmark? What are their answers to your questions?
     
  4. MARIE NICKERSON

    MARIE NICKERSON PRAYER POET

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    I like this: God is speaking to you all the time in your heart of hearts, if you but know it. Some great posts in this thread!
     
  5. Sheena

    Sheena Interfaith Forums

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    Does God speak to you?
     
  6. soma

    soma New Member

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    I agree God is speaking to everyone, all the time. We don't have to go anywhere, we just have to remove the barriers to communion.
     
  7. Sheena

    Sheena Interfaith Forums

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    So what does God say to you?
     
  8. soma

    soma New Member

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    That is something you will find in being, not becoming.
     
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  9. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Let us see. If he says something intelligent, I will listen. If he embarks again on 'I am your Lord God and you should worship only me and no other' crap, then I will leave forthwith (just like we close an uninteresting youtube video).
     
  10. luecy7

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    "We are your parents and you should follow us, be careful with others and don't follow strangers". Seems like I heard something like that at some point. What did you do with your parents: leave them, or follow?
     
  11. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    I can see and touch my parents, talk to them. Can you do this with any God or Goddess?
     
  12. soma

    soma New Member

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    What you said makes sense, I agree.
    Inside everyone is a path that shows a way to be happy with a full deeper meaning to life that requires no departure from modern life, but that means we should not follow delusions.
     
  13. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Delusions are for dumb people. Those who understand do not need them.
     
  14. luecy7

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    In the manner that I can truly see, touch, and talk with my parents; yes. I can physically do that with God.

    In the physical matter that you imply as being the parents; no. I find it false to think of my parents, wife, kids, or people, as merely being what they physically possess.
     
  15. Ecumenist

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    The average person will only listen to the God until that point at which they feel threatened, afraid to face themselves and unwilling to do what is necessary to get themselves out of _the present jam_.
     
  16. luecy7

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    Good thing Jesus was not the average person, and was willing to stay in the jam. :)
     
  17. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    I do not think he was very happy about that. He complained to his father (God) as to why he was forsaken.
     
  18. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Even Moses was not able to see God's face, he saw only the hind parts. So, you have seen God - front or back? And not only that you have touched God - what kind of touch was that, something solid like rock or like touching another human or like touching a pudding? You have even talked to God, not even Mohammad do that - I can record what my parents say; can the voice of God be recorded or it originates in your mind? You sure that it is not your imagination? What has convinced you of the existence of this entity, God?

    It is false to think of people like what they merely seem to be. Kindly enlighten me about what they really are? You know, we hindus have been at this question for more than five thousand years (though Buddha advised us to stop thinking about that. That too was 2,600 years ago but we have not abandoned our enquiry). :)
     
  19. luecy7

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    So back to my question: What did you do with your parents: leave them, or follow?

    As you claim to have seen the mind and history of Moses, is that the front, or the back of Moses? Is that from his hind parts, or from your own?

    Like a solid history and a liquid future.

    I find the voice and actions of everyone are being recorded.

    Yes. Well, partly God, and partly myself. What has convinced you of the existence of your parents, that they are really are your parents? Yourself via appearances, words, imagination, reason, or perhaps even a gene test?

    I think it is rather false of you to ask me what you really are.

    Maybe time for you to try something different?!
     
  20. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    My father died some 35 years ago. My mother is 90 years old. I have one brother. We both live in Delhi and our houses are not far from each other (less than 5 minutes by car). My mother lives half the time with me and half the time with my brother (no fixed schedule, as she happens to like or as the need be).

    But to answer your question, Jesus is supposed to be God and the annointed son of God. Did he not know what would happen to him? Was God doing something that was wrong? Then why the plaint?
    I have not said anything other than what your book says. You have not answered by question as to what have you seen of God?
    That also is playing with words and does not explain the 'touch of God'. 'Touched by God', I suppose, traditionally stands for madness (though I do not know for sure, not being a native speaker of English).
    Recorded and posited where? Google, MSN or your God's hard disk? You used he word 'find'. Kindly tell me how did you find this.
    Lived with them for all my life, 35 years with both, and now 35 years with my mother. To be a man requires the mother to mate with a man. From where Mary's chromosomes got the others to pair with? Was it through the Ghost breathing into her?

    No one can be 100% sure of his/her father. We guess on circumstances. For an Indian house-wife in a traditional home with the mother-in-law and the others around, out-of-marriage bond is not as easy to form as in West. Secondly, my father was a medical student at that time (Grant Medical College, Mumbai), of a very nice nature and stature. He was the cynosure of all the girls, and normally went with a bevy of them around, making people to say that whether he would leave any for them or not. I do not think my mother would the need to form a liasion with any other man. And I was born within one and a half years of their marriage. But, truly saying, I have never asked her. Was this question ever put to Mary? I do want a gene test with National Geographic, but for other reasons, to know my greater ancestry, it costs some 10,000 Indian Rupees, not insignificant, but not unaffordable also. Tradionally, I am a brahmin and kamboja, from Among the Aryans settled in Extreme Northern portion of India, Kashmir/Swat, and Kabul/Kapisha region of Afghanistan. You can find the description of Kambojas, Upamanyu, and Aupmanyav in Wikipedia.
    I know what I am. I am eternal star material, 'physical energy', presently in this form. You said looks are not true. That is why my question to you? Do you know what you are?
    You need not worry about that. I do not seek any answers as I have found answers to all my questions, none remain unanswered.
     

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