"The empty mind is the devils workshop"

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  1. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    White Light

    Blend all the frequencies (of White Light) together
    [or is it, "peel apart" all the frequencies?]


    ---and you get "White" (where all colors "disappear") = paradox.

    ---yet the white-light allows all colors to be seen = paradox.


    yet another paradox:

     
  2. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku Mercuræn

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    [FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The word color comes from the Latin root celare (i.e. 'that which covers, conceals').

    [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Color is energy… in fact it is an electromagnetic phenomenon, which depends on the way that light is reflected on the objects. Every object absorbs a part of the light which hits it and deflects the rest towards our eyes: this reflected light is interpreted by our brain as a particular color. Color is then already an illusion per se, a ghost that takes life only in our visual system, when light stimulates the photo-receptors - the antennae that pick up l[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]uminous signals – that fill in the background of our eyes.

    The world surrounding us is sadly in reality, monochrome.
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  3. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    Well, if it is G!d wasted a lot of time on eyes (the vast majority of species "see" color). And in H!r infinate wisdom there is a whole spectrum of "colors" of stars and other physical bodies (sun kind of star, not queen latifah kind).

    I would say that color in incumbent in the wavelength. However, this does not make the blind see red, but with the right sensor they would "know" something was red.

    And we spend an awful large amount on developing sensors that are color sensitive (nothing to do with tvs or stuff like that). Sensors that can "see" an insulator in the early stages of shorting (used to make sure power lines stay on line). Sensors that "see" the firing (or even the presence) of an explosive or exothermal event.
     
  4. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku Mercuræn

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    And that's another interesting concept . . . I look at a ball and say it's red, you look at the same ball and say it's red . . . but is your red the same as my red?
     
  5. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    Color does indeed cover the light of God, and yet it is functional as well, for each color corresponds to a particular nutrient which we will need to keep the body alive. A proper diet will consist of each in proportion, and so visually the world tries to be in proportion as well while maintaining multiplicity. This is the balancing act, all parts of the absolute must be expressed equally otherwise God gains an attribute by way of the unbalance. God is only good or rather perfect in his natural wholeness, and manifestation must be balanced to maintain it. This is the beauty we experience in the world, but also the reason for much which is disgusting because we have tried to perfect the beautiful and fight the revolting - to us. The very push for something better creates something worse - we can see this if we look rightly throughout the world.
     
  6. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    Red, as a for instance, is the visual perception of iron, so while the actual reflection may differ you are still both looking at iron.
     
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    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Hmm, does it work that way with "white noise?"
     
  8. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    White noise would be silence, and yet aum is the sound of silence.

    Existence loves its paradoxes, but yes, it is the peeling off or merging of sounds, the most pure of sound. A cacophony would be the "black noise", the chaos of sound, which is hard to miss in any city.
     
  9. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    EM--that is the basis for a lot of philosophical speculation (as well as peculative fiction). Nope, no way (given the nature of qualia--those basic "feelings" underlying experience) I can ever tell your red is my red.

    Like if I took apart your brain (on a fMRI or something like that) to the very neuron which made red red (could verify it by turning it off and turning on that one that makes blue blue). I can watch you experience red, I can test you and know you use the term consistently, but short of be being you, I can never experience your perception of redness.

    This is something that makes van Gough and Seurat (sp?) so fasinating.
    You know what it is and from a distance you "see" it. But up close it is not even close.
     
  10. Etu Malku

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    No it doesn't :D
    Matter of fact every sound we can conceive of is made up of the full harmonic spectrum, every note is sounded stretching above and below to infinity (overtones and undertones) some are more pronounced than others giving the sound source it timber.
     
  11. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    Yep. After too many Moby Grape, Grateful Dead, Who, and Meatloaf concerts you will come to realize that (only common thread is they were "the loudest rock" at one time or another).

    Wait, I think I hear Jerry calling, or is that just the rain?
     
  12. luecy7

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    I am not sure why you call it a lie. I met you and verified your addictions, and some of your behavior. You apparently don't see it that way. What I was saying with you here was not intended to slander.

    The present is not alive, and the past is not dead. You are what you are today because of what was done in the past, and the future depends on what you, and others, do now.

    As you believe that matter is empty, you should have no problem creating and destroying it. :D

    It is great to hear you now extolling the virtues of relationships. :D

    Have you read the bible? It is full of stories of animation. How about the book of Job. You should read the book of Job. Tell me if you can spot any divine animation in the book of Job.

    You think so? You have no beliefs regarding freedom? From my viewpoint your life is empty of a lot of experience, and the experience of others is not yours in the same manner that your experience is not mine. Your future is a multitude of potential experiences, most of which you currently would not favor.

    I know. You say you have dropped belief, but you have apparently not dropped your interest. Having met you and interacted a little, I know you are being a hypocrite with this. I am certain that you will fail, since your interest is to fight God. :)

    I'm sorry, I must have missed it. You wish me to do something? :confused:

    What made you think I do not meditate? If you want people to meditate, then why don't you just ask?

    A diet is the variety of food that a person eats. Has meditation made your smoking any less necessary? Is smoking good for your health, or evil for your health?
     
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    Technically the eye, the ear, and the brain are just limited with the amount of information that can be sensed and processed. To think of anything as having a single color is simply false. So why do you call it a paradox?
     
  14. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Interesting!

    Let me see, "White-Noise" is typically thought of a cacophonous din of multiple sound simultaneously ---like and orchestra tuning-up ---but then . . . the 'musical score' highlights solo and harmonic mingling(s) to create a tapastriy of interweaving wavelengths and Frequencies ---that ultimately evoke emotive sensibilities.

    So now, IMO, the questions turns back and asks:

    Hmm, does colors work that way with "audio"?

    BTW, The question does remind me of how "Om" is the actual 'hum' made by the universe's being.
     
  15. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    A single color is False? Were you born that way?

    "Objective Reality" is famously proven to be none other than "Objective Reality".

    "Objective Reality" is like a stone wall; butt heads with it and it's "Objective Reality" will be steadfast and absolute.

    When I said Paradox I meant: A statement (or rule, law, fact) which, as part of its composition, contradicts itself --and yet that contradiction does not negate its mode of operation.

    IE: Its a paradox that men love women and yet . . . men usually avoid feminine pastimes.
    or famously,
    "Men are from Mars and Women are from Venus" yet paradoxically, they live on the same planet.
    or even more famously,
    "Women! You can't live with them; You can't live without them".

    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
    BTW, "Comedy" is based on Paradox. We (the audience) "Enjoy" . . . at the "expense" of other peoples' "sufferring".

    Funny Family Videos on the telly are all displaying "Fun, laughable, enjoyment" . . . at the "expense" of other peoples' "sufferring".
     
  16. Etu Malku

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    There are two types of sounds: Harmonic and Chaotic. Examples of Harmonic sounds include the human voice, vibrating strings, lawn mowers, jet engines, jack hammers, cars and fans. Examples of Chaotic sounds include crumpling paper, blowing leaves, sneezes, the background conversational din in a restaurant and firecrackers.

    Our ear is often referred to as being “naturally wired” with the sound of the overtone series. It is our reference for stability in music. This overtone series is present in every sound emitted in the Universe and unfolds as explained by the Fibonacci sequence / Golden Mean.


    With this “natural wiring”, we tend to feel anything that goes against the overtone series as somewhat unnatural, and we feel pushed or pulled back to his natural state of rest.
     
  17. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    OK, so how do you predict people would react to putting rhythm into the static of white noise/chaotic noise? (assigning crumpling paper sounds, sneeze sounds, etc, to different percussion instruments on an electronic drum set and let a drummer have at it with the chaotic noises?) Would the rhythm overcome the natural wiring against chaotic noise?
     
  18. luecy7

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    Yes I do find that most children are with the understanding that the majority of this world and its inhabitants are unseen and unknown. If a person has a hard time with that, it does kind of blind them from understanding. A paradox or mystery came afterwards. Then, no paradox, but from my perspective the majority of this world and its inhabitants are still unseen and unknown. Things disappear by saturation just as things disappear into history. Where did they go... gone, right?
     
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    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Believe me, there is a method to my madness in this question. :D
     
  20. Etu Malku

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    I would say definitely, probably yes :p
    Once a rhythm is established using chaotic noise it becomes music (organized sound), though some people would still object to the 'timber' of the sounds over the rhythm being played, others no longer hear the chaotic sounds but now the rhythm.

    Am I babbling? :D
     

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