Spiritual Stages Advice?

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  1. TruthSatnaam

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    Great post...

    We should understand that the mind does not need to be conquered, for it does not exist.

    The Truth reality has, is and always will be the Most Simple and Most Humble.

    The Truth= Nothing.

    God discovered himself to be this after many ages- and has given us the oppertunity to discover the same in a fraction of the time..

    It is simply a frequency beyond which Maya(Illusion) dwellers can comprehend- for they live in the mind, and not the heart which is the key- the doorway to Truth (Our heart is His heart/is the entire creation and beyond).

    When the Mind/Ego/Identity/5 thieves(as As Gurbani calls them)/logic is recognised as God himself- as the Truth of Nothing-As simply a part of God's illusionary play which He Himself Pervades, it finds it's death.
     
  2. Persona

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    Hi Lunitik,
    You might not check this, so I might just copy & email you my response.
    I like your point about loving with no strings attached. Yet, I wonder how realistic that is. Don't we all give to get something - otherwise we wouldn't give, would we? We're all selfish - even God. If God were all about us & not doing it for a higher purpose, he'd be all over the place (inconsistent spiritually, etc) because we are. I think it's not such a bad thing, as long as it's "smart" (not stupid) selfishness. Smart selfishness knows that we are all connected & that what I do affects others & that I'm also affected by others.

    Still, I can see what you mean about perspective in giving... When we give when we feel empty inside, we feel emotionally in debt. But when we give from our hearts that are filled with love, it's like a natural outpouring.
     
  3. Persona

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    Children have an amazing imagination - they believe in EVERYTHING! :)
    Archaic consciousness is about the stage when infants are co-dependant to the max - they don't realize they are separate from their mothers (or caregivers).

    Yeah, good examples.

    Yes, this is the stage of strict adherence to rules, & the belief that all others must believe & follow the same. In the extreme, religious persecutions/wars are based on this level.

    Probably - many have mixed this stage with mythic consciousness.

    Either we pretend to understand other perspectives, or we are completely clueless that there are any other way of viewing things besides the one we've adopted from years of tradition.

    I'm really not an expert on this - especially starting with this phase. But what I think "psychic consciousness" is really in essence (as Lunitik mentioned before) - is a understanding & sensing of energetic consequences.

    I agree - it seems to be mingled with other stages - I think all they all are often integral. But there are times when I've realized what I really wanted couldn't be satisfied by my 5 senses.

    I'm not sure about this one either - I think it's a deeper awareness of truth & "feasting after the spirit."

    Often depression may be part of this - except, I guess as one realizes oneself spiritually more & more... the depression isn't about superficial things, but it's getting more & more to the heart of our fears & shame that we've buried.

    We tend to bounce back.
    Whenever I've been depressed or sick for a while, when I get & feel better, I feel like a new person! I appreciate things more.

    I like how you pointed out that it's "however you define God."

    Wholeness - again, I think it's more integral, than stages.

    Thank you for sharing your system, Sam.
    I agree that our experience of God/spirituality is personal.
     
  4. Persona

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    I don't think it's about measuring "advancement" but more about trying to understand spiritual processes, as we want to understand psychological & physiological processes.
    I don't think it's essential to intellectually understand spiritual stages, unless that's how you resonate. I like to mix logic with spirituality - it helps me understand & relate it with everyday practical living.
    Sometimes, I've had spiritual experiences that confused & scared me.
    I think it's important to keep both logic & spirit balanced. If you're too logical, you miss passion, if you're too spiritual (without logic), you might end up doing something unhealthy for yourself or others (or "lose a few marbles" mentally).
     

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