Spiritual Stages Advice?

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by Persona, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. Princely

    Princely Interfaith Forums

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    You speak on your own thus seeking your own glory which shows Your Ego is the problem but I do as the Lord commanded when He said "As the father sent me that is how I send you. But you refuse the command given by God the Father to the son and so you are dead in your sins.

    "Seek justice, seek humility, perhaps you'll be sheltered on the day of the Lords anger".

    You do not have eternal life since you love your own life and reject the love of God.
     
  2. donnann

    donnann Well-Known Member

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    I never worry about gods anger.....when hes angry he uses things like love to destroy hate.....kindness to destroy meanness.....his anger isnt mean or hateful.
     
  3. Lunitik

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    It is not the same John, one is Jesus Master and most do not know his words today, he died before Jesus really started preaching according to the Bible. The is a disciple, perhaps his brother, and has written much in the Bible.

    Neither can compare to Jesus, for even John the Baptist only baptizes by ritual - there is nothing of import in it. Jesus baptizes by fire and the Holy Spirit, it is the same as any teacher of enlightenment yet he has not been very successful, just many converts but belief doesn't mean you are of the Spirit.
     
  4. Lunitik

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    Has Jesus been humble?

    He has gone nowhere without seeking audience.

    Yet it is not arrogance either, it is neither, for both are the ego going in differing directions...

    Ego must be slaughtered mercilessly, it must be hated, renounced.

    The ego defines your life so far.

    I AM the love of God, I am nothing else.

    I have no life of my own, it was always His.

    He speaks through me, I simply watch in awe.
     
  5. Lunitik

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    Again, you have raised a quote which is an attempt to instill fear in the reader, ignoring again that perfect love cannot feel fear. How strange that you are so obsessed with quotes which warn, for the one who knows divine love does not need even a second more of life, it has already given him enough. If it is the Lords will that I perish, so be it, for he has given my life as well and supported it this long, it is entirely his prerogative. I will not see it as punishment, for the only punishment I know is separation, being distinct from Him, I would rather perish than this. Your prize, your heaven is exactly what I define as hell. It does not matter whether I am burning or feeling eternal bliss, both remain a separation.

    These things might work on empty people, but those who are fulfilled will simply laugh, it is foolish. Those who have become enlightened have faced death directly, they have seen it has no power over their true being, that even pain cannot touch his being although he is more sensitive to his body - it only means he is more aware of it, yet this is exactly how he has become aware he is not it. It is this which has caused your ego, that you believe yourself the body and mind. It is this need to protect this identification which has caused your fear, and your priests have exploited it. You are that which is immortal, then why will you permit the mind to waste energy on fear? It is because you do not know who you are.

    Death can happen this moment, it can happen tomorrow or next week, why are you concerned about some distant time that only exists in your imagination? Your security is utterly false, and it is because you have not found it within yourself. This is my largest complaint about Jesus' approach, he has created impotent people. He says merely lean on him and all will be well with you, that you needn't fear anything. He says he will save you from the world, from sin and from death.

    You must save yourself, he can be a guide but he cannot do it for you, you are simply fooling yourself if you think merely accepting him is enough. He is truly a man like you, only difference is he has found salvation within himself, and so he can guide you to it. You think he is God incarnate, no, he is God and so are you. God is one, all emanates from him, all is the expression of his love. Incarnation, reincarnation, avatar and all else, it simply has no meaning, all has remained Him always. Everything else is imagination, nothing more or less, but you must realize this yourself.

    Resonate love through every cell in your body, become overcome by love, let it possess you. This is true prayer, it means nothing else, and when you finally let go of your will entirely, your very life entirely, then only are you reborn. What you have now is very cheap, it is just an idea, an imagination. These happen ever night, what I offer is real experience of your true self.
     
  6. donnann

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    This element isnt fire or water its a combination of all of the elements as one element of a spirit type essence. This is much higher than the holy spirit baptism of just fire. Its the crystal spirit and it is holy.
     
  7. Lunitik

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    It does not mean you will depend on me, for I have not given it, I have merely shown you where to find it within yourself. It is only possible when mind is not, it is exactly what you must go beyond. To go beyond you merely have to merge all opposites, clear all conceptions, drop all beliefs, everything which has created of you a slave to the mind. Now mind will fall and truth is all that remains. You have to go into it totally though, as utterly as you possibly can, you must bring your total energy into it, and even energy which you do not know you had - resonating in love will bring you more capacity, more potential to direct in this quest. Only at the very peak will you have enough to go beyond the mind...

    Only then do you discover your true face, only then do you know who you are, and only then do you realize your immortality. Yet mind is not there, body is not there, it is only you... now you know you are God.
     
  8. Lunitik

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    Fire and water are metaphoric...

    Fire means ascension, it is aggressive, you reach to God... this is the path of love. It is because fire constantly climbs higher, and its smoke defies gravity.

    Water means descension, it is more feminine, you simply sit and wait... this is the path of meditation. Picture a waterfall, this is how God comes in this practice, as a flood.

    The other elements are Earth and Air, they represent heaven and earth, high and low, the directions of the previous two. The fifth element is that of ether, it is the space between them.

    God is the crystal, the combination of all.

    It is not higher at all, it is the very same intent, just another way of explaining, my previous post is yet another...

    Never take spiritual words literally.
     
  9. Lunitik

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    What we all forget is we never had to be here in the first place, who can even calculate the impossibility of it? Many fear this coming to an end, but can you not think instead about it never beginning in the first place? Existence itself never needed to be, have you ever considered it? You say God always has been, what if he hadn't? I cannot imagine even God is not grateful for this, that he even is.

    Yet it is so, spend a little more time cherishing this, be more aware of the beauty all around you, take it in once in a while. The bending of understood physics is not so much a trick as all that is around us, life itself is the true miracle, even God has not created that, for he is alive according to all the scriptures... maybe God should ask how he has managed it for any awareness, any consciousness at all has stemmed from life. Perhaps even God takes life for granted? Perhaps even God does not wonder how it has been possible? He merely accepts he was the first, cherishes the control this has provided him, but perhaps he himself is existing through another as we exist through him? Maybe even his power is his own illusion, has he ever considered whether he too is just dreaming?

    Or maybe we have just personified the One in an attempt to teach about it, science shows that all has stemmed from a single particle, perhaps this is the essence the enlightened man has tapped into, perhaps it is the same explosion still happening in increasing precision, perhaps that power is the nature of consciousness, that it has gradually understood its own motion.

    Or maybe we should not create theories about it, maybe we should simply enjoy that it is so, that it is here and now, and stop going into there and then which only causes us to missing it. What is certain is that experiencing oneness is significant, and the key to entering it is to let go utterly to right now.
     
  10. donnann

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    I never look at things as an end but rather the beginning of being of a new substance, a new creature in effect in that way. The kingdom of heaven is a world without end but when you reach that highest self you have infinite life and the cycle of life, energy just keeps feeding itself infinitely. So the crystal being is the highest and I look forward to that. There has been one prophecy that I know of aside from things about crystal skulls in the myan prophecies and that is the third secret of fatima that mentions crystals.
     
  11. Princely

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    Humble to God by doing what is right. Which you refuse to do.

    Like I have told you, I am meek and humble of heart and I will give you peace.Take my yoke upon you and learn from me for my yoke is righteous and my burden is light.

    You are not the love of God because your Father is the devil and willingly you carry out his wishes. If God were your Father you would accept me because I come from him, He sent me. That is why you will not see me until you say, blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.

    You should be careful saying you speak for God when you don't, that is one thing the so called Jews did and they are still being punished for it.

    "The Lord guides the humble to justice and He teaches the meek His way."

    "Seek justice, seek humility. Seek the Lord so you will live".
     
  12. Lunitik

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    Please stop your nonsense, you are impressing no one.

    You do not hate your own life, you love it.

    According to Jesus, you cannot be his disciple for this reason alone.

    If you let yourself die, only then can you know true life.
     
  13. Lunitik

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    It references enlightenment, nothing spiritual relates to physical things.

    Even physical things aren't really physical, according to science, what to say about insights into the subtle things? It is quite strange you insist on these things, infinite life comes from direct contact with the true self, but this is to step out of the cycle of life - or as the Buddhists say, out of the wheel of samsara.

    This state is infinite energy, but the rest is just metaphor.
     
  14. Lunitik

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    Princely: Please understand, it is the devil which brings greed, you are manifesting this greed by wanting eternal life in heaven. You are also manifesting another aspect of the devil in your statements of fear. These are very basic forces used by the devil to rule over the human being.

    Yet, what is the devil, for I do not believe in red men ruling over hell, this is purely imagination. Satan means the adversary, and this is the mind. It is nothing else which has tempted Jesus in his 40 day retreat, it is his own greed and desire which has arisen, and he has overcome these things. This is the same as Buddha has gone through with Mara, and for the same reasons, it is the ego trying to cause you to avoid truth so that it can survive a little longer...

    Everything you say is mind oriented, and I am sure you believe you are the mind... please find out if this is true, and keep in mind that whatever you watch cannot be you. Only the mind can believe, for belief is nothing but a theory it has accepted. I compel you to experience directly what is intended, but that is up to you. If thinking you know anything at all suffices for you, if you do not want to know whether you are correct, continue as you are. I only want you to recognize that there are many who understand the ways of the ego, and for them, your statements are very revealing - it is your desperation and fear which is exposed.

    Please understand, as long as you are identified with the mind, you are worshiping the devil. It is only the mind which has memorized these quotes you talk through. This, Jesus explains as personal will over the will of God, the godly mind is not so judgmental, it is spontaneous and free. I feel sorry for you because you still believe yourself limited, you do not feel yourself worthy of the embrace of God, you are content to be a slave. This is delusion, you are nothing else but his own essence manifesting in the world.

    Please find out who you are, no where in any scripture does it say you should not practice dignity, yet I see none in you, you must find this source of strength.
     
  15. Lunitik

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    One thing to consider: What if you're wrong, what if the day you die it turns out nothing you have ever believed is true? Now it is much too late...

    What I say is to consider the truth directly, now there is no question of whether you are right, you discover you are the truth. This is ultimately your decision, do you want to believe, or do you want to know? Priests and the like certainly want you to believe, your belief is paying their bills.

    Will you trust those who have a vested interest in deception, or the one who only wishes to help you?

    You need only look at what happened when you say you have experienced divine love, if you are truthful about this, to see my words are accurate. It will be because you have given up all ideas of the mind, all identification - at least for a moment. God only happens when you cease, this is the same key I give, but you must use the key to enter your own soul. No one can bring you into your soul except you...

    Simply bring your whole energy into the center of your chest where the heart chakra is located, keep it here for as long as you can. As you feel the energy growing, push this to the tip of your head... this is the offering of the soul to God, it is to give up all separation and merge back with the Father, if you are accepted, the energy will force itself back towards your heart - you must simply allow now, for grace is taking over.

    You must be willing to do the same, but this is the only way to know your immortality. It is a death that reveals the deathless, until then you are merely as dead.

    Before this, you cannot say you know life.
     
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    Please note: If the energy begins to push its way back down: DO NOT FIGHT!

    As it comes back to the heart, you will have a feeling of great fear surge through you, simply watch, do not allow it to interfere with the process. If you cannot allow, you have missed, do not beat yourself up about it for there will be another opportunity.

    Remember it is the death of the false which is happening, what you truly are will not be touched. This is not a beautiful encounter, but if you can trust it, you will not be sorry.

    Now you will understand why I say I am God...

    More importantly, you will know why I insist you are also.
     
  17. Lunitik

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    Many see arrogance in my words, it is precisely because I know who you are that I speak this way though. I do not feel superior, it is simply my compassion which longs to pull you up out of your slumber. I am not interested in confirming your delusions of inferiority, I am not interested in sweet talking you into making the most of what you have done to yourself. I only wish to undo it all and let you see the truth.
     
  18. Princely

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    Goes to show how you are trying to impress when I have no intention of impressing anyone, but only to do what is right. You have no idea what life is even though you have been told what is good and what the Lord requires.Find out what this means; "There is no greater love than to lay down your life for your friends. You are my friends if you do what I command you.
     
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    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    My Friends,

    This is what we in the trade call "A Mexican Standoff". Take a few deep breaths and some time to center-down (and calm oneself). The "rightness" and "wrongness" are not as important as the information provided.
     
  20. FutureHumanDestiny

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    If this was real life rather than online, we could easily mend most everyone's feelings with "a mexican cookoff". After an enchilada and a ciesta, we'd all feel right as rain! not spiritual rain. but metaphorical, allegorical, syllogistical rain.

    of course, we can not force others to eat what we've prepared for them. but we can share, and accept a portion from others.

    -dale
     

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