What is the essence of all religions?

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by ResistETIntervention, Mar 14, 2012.

  1. Hermes

    Hermes Zos Kia Cultus

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    ...sorry this may offend some...this thread was supposed to be about something and it turned into a Linux discussion? WTF! Lutinik seemed to have the "diarrhea of the keyboard" and completely hijacked this over some ego trip.....
     
  2. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    We are trying to encourage him to potty-train himself. ;)
     
  3. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    See what you make of these:

    Here and here

    You are convinced there is something you have to do, you are convinced I should be doing certain things... why? We cannot be anything except what we are right now, why the need to create obstacles? It seems you cannot simply accept things as they are.
     
  4. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    being coprophillic, that will be a task!
     
  5. Joedjr

    Joedjr A Sometimes Member

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    What, over there in the Christianity forum. :eek: The seas are too rough, and the wind is too strong. It'll sink my little boat.
     
  6. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    You'll notice, Joedjr, a lot of the same discussion on both. Kinda-sotra related. If the is a single essence, one can argue that there is but one religion. I crash that one even though I am not what most believe "Christian" (mystical, unitarian, universalist, liberal Quaker). You will learn who to avoid if you do not want to get into a bunch of "Thou shalts".

    What I see important here is that people 'splain what the essence is as they see it. My job is to soak that up and see if it contradicts what I have thought, and change what I think if that new essence is not copasetic with one old man's beliefs.
     
  7. luecy7

    luecy7 New Member

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    I will review late tonight.

    I recommend that at this point in your life you should not be doing some things with your parents, and they should not be doing some things with you. Why? For your personal development, and for their personal development. I would highly recommend maintaining relations with your parents though, especially the one that you became distant from. I predict that your perception of your parents will change as you become older, especially as you become more independent. I know that mine did.

    I find this is false.

    I imagine it could be the case for some, but I know how much you love your freedom. You've sort of gone from, "I prefer to just watch" to "I can only watch". It is not the case.

    We each have a choice of what to accept. If we expect others to accept something, then I submit we should likewise be able to accept it from others. I'll sneak that golden rule in everywhere I can.

    I know that you and I have entirely different understandings of what or who God is, amongst many other things. I hope, and I put it in a prayer, that you receive a new opportunity within a week. An opportunity to grow with new relationships. I imagine it is your choice of whether or not to accept.
     
  8. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    I have no interest in replying to this, but please browse through some of Mooji's videos. Maybe he will get through to you more than I have been able to. For me, though, it seems the government is giving you more beliefs than any religion, you have to look into this because you are accepting yourself as a slave to it. Even bringing an enlightened man into your home, you dispute with him on the side of societal constructs yet I only went there to show you who you are.

    You want to argue and debate, for what? You have even boasted that you got banned from this site, you seemed to take great pride in this - that you were defending your own way of thinking against others to the point it was no longer acceptable to the admins here. You seem to need others to think like you, but I tell you that you do not even know who you are, you remain functioning on the periphery. What I say is not intended to change anything about how you live, it is only intended to show you whose life it is...

    It is a matter of perspective, but you have remained clinging to ideas. Nothing I say here is my belief, it is only to destroy your ideas. You have decided things about me based on my responses to you. I myself live without ideas about anything, without beliefs, without notions, I simply enjoy being and wished to share that here, to give this enjoyment to others.

    Life is the most simple thing, people make it so complicated though because they refuse to accept its simplicity. People create things they have to do, they create obligations for themselves and yet in all this the most simple thing is missed, people seem to forget how to live. We all knew how in our youths, I have only tried to remind everyone on this site of this. Not that I have tried to create childishness, but rather bring back child-like wonder. This is fought, yet everyone has moments of wishing they could return to that time in their life.

    You walk utterly unaware of your body, you avoid all contact with everyone who crosses your path, and your disputing guards against others that you are even willing to address. Why do you insist on protecting yourself so much? You have absolutely no trust for existence, you do not want what it is willing to show you. I have not seen you practicing the Golden Rule at all, yet it is your go to theory about the world. You actually think your way of life is appealing to people, thus you go on giving advice for how to be like you. You yourself aren't comfortable being you, why try to make others the same?

    Life is not a scholarly pursuit, it is not something to give deep thought about, it is something to simply enjoy, to be grateful for. You chase so many things because simply being is not enough for you, you cannot understand why it is more than enough for others. Every time you have addressed me on this site, it is about trying to invent something I have to do, it is to try to show me how to live, but you yourself do not live. You are missing the most basic thing about life, you simply go on speaking about and I am convinced it is because you do not remember how to just be alive.

    I pray you remember before life passes you by.
     
  9. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    This is my last post on this site though, I am done here.

    Good luck.
     
  10. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku Mercur├Žn

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    Mooji? Now it makes sense with Lunitik . . . what a space case
     
  11. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    Truly a beautiful man!

    He brings you to the same place I have tried to point at though, perhaps the way he expresses it will resonate more with you...

    Who helps you towards truth is irrelevant, just find it somehow!

    When you realize it, you will understand why I have been so adamant about many things here, words cannot do it justice, it is simply the reason for being alive at all.

    It is simply to find your way back home.
     
  12. luecy7

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    Does Mooji still mooch off of his parents? Does he mooch off his followers? If you truly wish to follow and be like him, then go meet him and live with him for a time, and see if your perception is true. He prefers to think that you will know him by being like him from a distance. Fine: you only hear his words, but you do not see his actions in response to you. So, go spend time with him and interact with him. See for yourself who he is.

    I told you before I invited you over, that I knew how to get to know a person. You denied it, so I invited you. Upon arriving you quickly agreed with me, and you left for the same reason. Do you realize: 200 years ago you could read a book or hear gossip, but this form of anonymous communication did not exist back then? Now it does. Brave new world, eh? On the internet a person can apply as much verbal lipstick as they wish, and so can Mooji.

    I find it is an activity integral to love, faith, and honesty. If your parents or loved ones never argue or debate with you, then in my view they have not been loving, nor having faith in you, nor honest with you.

    There is nothing to boast. You banned me. You repeated the deed in person for something that I said, because you were uncomfortable. I believe my words were "stay", followed by "we will not be long". Should I feel proud, or ashamed, for speaking those words? I don't think so. Should I feel proud that the calling of a cigarette over the apparently uncomfortable atmosphere of people wearing uniforms and guns was more important to you? No. I don't blame you for feeling uncomfortable and wishing to loiter and smoke in front of someone else's building. You decided that what I said was unacceptable, and somehow disrespectful. Do you fear that I am proud of your behavior?

    A person being dishonest does not intend to truly believe their own words, but they do wish control over the ideas of others.

    I believe you. You have yet to see me practicing it. :)
     
  13. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    We all "mooch" off each other, the world is inter-dependent, independence is utterly impossible. Why are you making statements about people you know nothing about? I enjoy Mooji because I can feel the same energy in him I feel in myself, he says the same things I try to say but from a new perspective. I have no desire to be like him, each of us is utterly unique, emulating another just renders our own existence pointless.

    You have not even inquired about me, else you'd have found yourself in the process, you have only cared about peripheral events and they say nothing of me. You asked nonsense questions about irrelevant things, you debated instead of showing any genuine interest. God was in your home saying "know me" and you have said "no, be like me instead". You are the one applying verbal lipstick, nothing you say you stand for is genuine in your life, and nothing you have said have you stood by with me. You still cannot say you know anything about the man that stayed in your home for 3 days, you can only cite your judgments, but that says more about you than me.

    You know nothing about any of these things, you simply refuse to conceive of uniqueness, you do not respect individuality and this is the nature of your debate. I have gone there to show true love and you have refused it, I have tried to replace your faith with trust and your honesty with integrity, you have refused in each case. I have tried to replace your cynical eyes with eyes of wonder and you have simply insisted you know better.

    I banned you? What?

    I was not uncomfortable at all, you refused to acknowledge polite requests, so I stated more firmly and provided consequences, you have still not managed to respect my request and so I have followed through on those consequences. At no point was I uncomfortable, I have chatted away in the car on the way to the airport, did you feel some sort of animosity from me? Even then I have still been trying to bring you to your center in everything I have said, I have spoken out of pure love about hoping you find a way to be around your children more, not once have I presented resentment.

    Still you are on it though, still you cannot drop this subject, it only continues to show your utter lack of anything resembling respect. Yet, you consistently raise the topic of the Golden Rule, such a great ambassador of it...

    This is all I have seen from you: attempts to control others. You are a hypocrite in these words.

    All you have seen from me is a refusal to be controlled, an insistence on freedom, and this is why we have clashed. I have never presented any ideas to you, I have only tried to destroy yours because they are worthless. You cannot notice the difference though.

    Our entire dialog has been about you defending your pile of shit and refusing to allow me to shovel it out. Symbolic of this was my shoveling of your leaves, cleaning up your surroundings, yet did you notice they continue to come back? I suppose you think that was just something accidental, nothing in this world is accidental ever, there is no such thing. Existence has commented on your stubbornness in those leaves...

    I have used them to show you something.

    Yet I have been engaging in regular dialog with your for almost a year, I think I have grounds enough to say you're full of shit by now. You have no intention of growing as a person, you only care about defending your own positions. You have not even seen or understood that I have no positions at all, because you have been unable to drop the past each moment, you see everything I did and said as a collective representation of me. No, they were each a mirroring of you, there is no me. What is sad is the only time I laughed during my stay there was with strangers around the Safeway and your work, you are entirely too serious and this is a sickness.

    Life is not intended to be lived seriously, it is to be enjoyed and celebrated. You are so utterly guarded though, you have not realized that your tight grip on life only kills it. You cannot possess life because you are life, you can only be possessed by it or kill it, and you have chosen the latter.
     
  14. bhaktajan

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    The monkey gets restless.The monkey pre-plans his move.
    The monkey traces out the steps.
    The monkey arose to giggles.
    The monkey saw the tourists arrive and waved to them.
    The monkey approached the glass viewerss window.
    The monkey panned the faces of all present.
    The monkey flung his feces.
    The monkey hears the cheers of the crowd.
    The monkey delights the youngsters.
    The monkey is scoffed at by the High polloi.
    The monkey is a big attraction perenially.

    Carp diem thought the monkey.
    Interpersonal was the monkey.
    Cute monkey as usual.

    Any opinions or comments?
     
  15. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    Yes, I request you stop throwing your feces.
     
  16. luecy7

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    Whereas a person being honest is giving you control, giving you information whereby you can have control. I believe I have been honest and reasonably open with you.

    As an example: When I cheated on the relationship with my wife I took control of something that she cared about. In confessing, I gave her the means to have control.

    My wife and I smile quite a bit when you are not looking. :):):)
     
  17. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    Information is the means by which you are controlled.

    Smiling is not worth much, you have not let yourself go in laughter once because you are too guarded. Even normal laughter is not worth much, only such laughter that you are no more in it.
     
  18. Lunitik

    Lunitik Interfaith Forums

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    In your example: You have read somewhere that cheating is bad, guilt has arisen and you have brought it to her to relieve yourself of this guilt - it is clear it wasn't your own feeling because you have been able to cheat in the first place, if anything your ease in cheating is what you were really guilty about if you will look honestly. That ease you have not enjoyed, you didn't want to get away with it, so you told your wife about it.

    You have provided her information so that she can be in control of the situation, something in you has wished for this to make the situation more difficult, you wanted her to show why this was wrong, to be angry about your wronging her. You have not dropped it because she has not made it difficult, she has continued to work with you to raise the children.

    Control itself is an illusion, though. You have not decided to come into this world, that you must depart this world is not up to you although you can commit suicide to leave early - still you will use certain information to exercise this control.

    True freedom is there when you stop all attempts to control, all notions of control, it is to find and live by the flow of life, to allow its current to take you.
     
  19. bhaktajan

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    It's the duplicitous double-back-speak that is grating. Every emission spewed with twin cheeks skewing & cramming two sides of an stance whille assuming to be a Duke speaking the Thrown's English.

    Monkey business, or . . .

    You decide.

    IMHO, The fluttering of a EVERY dung beatle affects the whole world . . . in dung beatle-time.
     
  20. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    Indeed!
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    {I hope Etu Malku doesn't mind my posting his music--but I couldn't resist!}
     

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