"prove it"? Isn't that a little silly? Can you prove anything you say or believe in?
Then surely it is absurd. What's next? Disabled people and those born with heart conditions chose to be born with them?
Ever hear of a mandala, or a yantra? But, you are missing my point entirely.
You can't originate a shape or form that does not exist.
Azure24, do you not believe in free will because you think causality arising from prior conditions means whatever happens must happen (so you are a determinist) or is it because of the involvement of random chance (so you are an indeterminist)?
I believe God is Sovereign. So everything is predetermined.
I am removing myself from this discussion and this thread.