I see we are going no where with our discussion... You say there is no "cause"...yet surely the cause (for knowing Jesus loves you), is He told you so. Well, we know where we both stand. BTW, I'm not a Lutheran or Calvinist...nor I am a "Christian"...as is commonly understood. If you believe my arguments were personal, then I apologize. I can present articles that represent my beliefs if you want to read them.