Symmetry: Derail from Sound and Sacred Geometry

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  1. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    Add it to the Library of Babel that I wonder through, but I have found meaning in many, many books and no longer seek the Book of Sand (obscure literary references).
     
  2. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Oh gee wiz! I've been reading about symmetry breaking with the Higgs boson, and I keep getting prompted back to this thread and the Sound and Sacred Geometry thread.

    Is there any possible connection between the two that I'm just not consciously grasping? My subconscious mind might have made a connection that I just can't grasp. :confused:

    Any feedback would be appreciated!
     
  3. Etu Malku

    Etu Malku Mercuræn

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    The Something from Nothing Particle Theory?

    [paraphrased from Psychonaut by Peter J. Carroll by yours truly]

    As a species we only started to form pretentious theories about cosmic gods when we mixed up our megalomaniac psychology with the vestiges of shamanistic knowledge. The monotheistic God is only an idealized image of ourselves or our fathers or our kings writ large.

    Before the monotheistic errors were made, our species had arrived at a sophisticated appreciation of the psychic structure of our own little corner of the universe. Men recognized the animating spirit of living things, often depicted as a Horned God. It was a force without morality, could not be bargained with or placated.

    Man lost touch with many aspects of this force of Nature and began to construct all manner of improbable polytheistic and pantheistic theories to account for the behavior of himself and his environment. Knowledge became fragmented and aspects of the force were personified as various deities. The Horned God of antiquity reappeared as the anti-god of these systems, His devotees meeting secretly as witches and sorcerers to practice their magick. The animating force of the entire vast universe can be called Chaos. the inexpressible pregnant Void from which manifest existence, order, and form arise.

    Today this force has reasserted itself in our awareness under the Sy(n)bol of Baphomet! The spirit of the life force and thus Baphomet, is the spirit of the dual ecstasy, procreation and re-absorption, sex and death - end


    I firmly believe that there exists an objective and a subjective universe, that the objective universe is what most consider God/Supreme Being etc.
    The subjective universe is what some consider to be the Unknowable/Tao etc.

    They are not the same, they are two distinctive things.
    The objective universe/God/Baphomet to me, was formed by the Principles behind Vibration and Frequency, if not directly by them.
     
  4. Norm

    Norm Guest

    "...it is a channelled work."

    Who told you that?

    (Sorry, I see the original post is ten years old but still...)
     
  5. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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  6. Norm

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    I am sorry, but in my opinion, directing me to the Urantia Foundation's website is not an answer to "Who told you that." I am also positive that the Urantia Foundation's website does NOT say that The Urantia Book is a "channeled work." And if they do not explicitly say that, then no one told you that. That is the answer.
     
  7. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    I directed you to a link to the Urantia website titled "How We Got the Urantia Papers." It would also behoove you to investigate the entire page. It is straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. I can't make you read it, just as "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink."
     
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  8. Norm

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    Yes, I know what you directed me to. You're just doubling-down on what you said the first time. And when you wrote, "...it is a channelled work," you had simply read some stuff and made some assumptions, when in actuality NO ONE told you The Urantia Book is/was a channeled work. You made it up. And here's a bulletin regarding "it would behoove [me] to investigate the entire page." I know MORE about this subject than you do. Please, please, look it up yourself and SHOW me where it says, "the Urantia Book was channeled" in the article, "How We Got the Urantia Papers." Just copy and paste the statement from the article "How We Got the Urantia Papers" and paste it here, please. And if you cannot, then just admit that you do not know and that no one told you The Urantia Book was channeled and that you're just making assumptions. In fact, on the page you directed me too, the words "channeled" and "channeling" are nowhere to be found.
     
  9. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    I'm not saying that you don't know more about it than I do or that I know more about it than you do. However, I do have a brain and can investigate for myself. In my investigations, The Urantia Book fits the definition of "channelled work" in that there are people known as The Relevators who depend upon the indwelling Adjusters and the Spirit of Truth to help them in the appropriation of the truth in the Urantia Revelation. (page 17 paragraph 2.) Each paper is attributed to a specific spirit being identified either by name, station, or some other euphemism.

    If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck.
     
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  10. Norm

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    Alright, I will accept your new statement that "... in my investigations, it fits the definition of "channelled work" as a retraction or a hard qualifier of your previous statement that ""...it is a channelled work." It fits someone's definition of a channeled work. Qualifiers accepted. I have to go to the store, I'll add more later.
     
  11. Norm

    Norm Guest

    OK, here is the "more" I wanted to add: (Sorry, the paragraphing seems to have disappeared. I can fix it if need be.)

    seattlegal wrote:
    >"I'm not saying that you don't know more about it than I do."
    Good, that's good.

    >"However, in my investigations,"
    And who knows what your "investigations" entailed? What were they?

    "... it fits the definition of "channelled work"
    Whose definition? I think alleged "channeling" is when an alien spirit entity takes control of someone's mind. Is that it? Regarding such things, The Urantia Book says:
    113:5.1 Angels do not invade the sanctity of the human mind; they do not manipulate the will of mortals;
    I assume it's the same for any and all spirit beings, they are NOT allowed to muck around in someone's head.

    >...in that there are people known as The Relevators...
    Hmm. So you really don't know much about the book, do you? You said you hadn't read it, I think. The Revelators are not people, not human people, they are collectively the celestial authors of the "papers," aka The Urantia Book.

    >...who depend upon the indwelling Adjusters and the Spirit of Truth to help us in the appropriation of the truth in the Urantia Revelation. (page 17 paragraph 2.)
    Well, yes, but it's actually the Adjusters and the Spirit of Truth who are helping us understand what's in the papers after the "revelators" put the papers together and materialized those documents.

    > Each paper is attributed to a specific spirit being identified either by name, station, or some other euphemism.
    Yes. Those spirit beings are collectively the revelators. They did the revealing.

    >If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is probably a duck.
    Probably, but not always. What causes problems is assumptions. And "walks like a duck quacks like a duck" etc., while a handy proof test, often times on the mark, is also a series of assumptions.

    Here are some "facts" about the reception of The Urantia Book. At NO time did anyone see anyone channeling The Urantia Book. In the 30 or 40 years, no one ever saw anyone channeling, never saw any "automatic writing,' never saw anyone take down notes of someone speaking while in a trance. Nothing. Nada. If you want to read a good account of what happened, I recommend "A History of The Urantia Papers" by Larry Mullins and Meredith Sprunger. Amazon carries it.

    Here's an excerpt from the Larry's book:
    Then, at six a.m. one morning, the telephone rang. It was the wife of the sleeping subject.

    "Please come over here, quick!" she said.
    "What's happened?" asked Dr. Sadler. "Is he in the sleeping state?"
    "He's asleep alright, but that's not it," she replied. "Please get over here, quickly!"

    The Sadlers "dressed like volunteer firemen" and rushed to the residence. When they arrived, they were out of breath and full of curiosity.
    The subject's wife led them to a desk in the study. She picked up a voluminous handwritten manuscript and handed it to Dr. Sadler.

    "Where did this come from?" Sadler asked.
    "I don't know," the distraught lady said. "He made strange noises in his sleep that awakened me. I then spotted this on his desk."
    "Has he been out of bed?" asked Dr. Sadler.
    "Not to my knowledge. I don't see how he could have gotten out of bed without my being awakened. And, he's still asleep. I don't see how he could have done it."

    The Sadlers began to examine the nearly 500 pages of tightly handwritten text. The manuscript seemed to be addressing the 181 questions that the Sadlers had obtained from the Forum! The astonished Sadlers went into the bedroom. The subject was in a normal sleep at this time, and awakened easily.

    "Do you know what you have been doing in your sleep?" asked Dr. Sadler.
    "I haven't been doing anything," replied the subject.
    "Oh, yes you have! Didn't you write this?" Sadler asked.
    "No. I haven't written anything."
    "nearly 500 pages of tightly handwritten text" in the middle of the night. And his wife knew nothing about it.

    These pages were not channeled or written by any person. They were simply materialized out of thin air by "Midwayers" a type of celestial being very close to humans and in fact, in some ways are our "cousins" on earth. Midwayers, are called such because they are "midway" between men and angels. There are just over 1000 "loyal" midwayers doing God's work on earth. They have been here for 35,000 years or so.

    Midwayers can manipulate material things, while angels and others cannot. It was midwayers who rolled the stone away from Jesus' tomb. Midwayers are the progeny of the offspring of a pure line descendant of Adam and Eve and a pure line descendant of the "Nephilim" (aka Nodites) in The Urantia Book. Midwayers are invisible and eternal but they can make themselves visible to us.

    The Urantia Papers were not channeled. And that is the only thing I objected to about your absolutist statement in the face of the fact that you simply don't know and you can't have known. You just made assumptions. People should not make absolutist statements based on assumptions. Leave some room to be wrong.

    Read Larry's book, and consider reading The Urantia Book as well, I think you said you hadn't done that.

    And as Steve Jobs used to say, Just one more thing..." and that's regarding the idea that something from Urantia Foundation's website is "straight from the horse's mouth," LOL, -please consider that a horse has two ends.

    Nice talking with you. -Norm
     
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  12. Norm

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    I noticed I had the word "serious" above where I wanted "series". I tried to edit it but was met with this message:

    The following error occurred:
    Your content can not be submitted. This is likely because your content is spam-like or contains inappropriate elements. Please change your content or try again later. If you still have problems, please contact an administrator.

    I don't really have the time to contact the admin about correcting a word.
     
  13. RJM

    RJM God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    I don't know why this happened. There's a minimum post count for new members before posting links or media. This is to help filter out spammers.

    I apologise. You won't have the same problem again.

    I did not have time to search for the word 'series' in your post, but you should be able to edit it yourself now. I have added some paragraphs to your post to make it more easily readable on a phone screen.

    Thanks and apologies for the inconvenience
     
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  14. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    Pleased to meet you, too! :)

    Welcome to the forums, the operations and moderation (and funding) of which are a labor of love of RJM mainly, with the help of a few volunteers. So relax, slow down, get to know the friendly locals. Nobody will eat you here, unless you crassly violate the Code of Conduct, which is really easy to find in the list of forum sections.

    One more thing: Now that we know how deeply you care about the Urantia papers, we're also curious about anything else you might want to share about yourself, as in an introduction. There is a sub-forum for intro posts, and if you post there, we'll give you a proper welcome!
     
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    A LOT of help!
    Thanks @Cino
    No worries @Norm it's all good :)
     
  16. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Fair enough, @Norm . I'm still quite skeptical about the Urantia book, even more so now.
     
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    I clicked the link and tried reading but wasn't able to understand a word. This has happened to me before and it generally means I shouldn't touch that stuff with a 10 foot pole.
     
  18. Norm

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    Well, I understand. But reading it helps. As they say (like your duck aphorism), "The proof of the pudding is in the eating." And as we say, "You have to read it to believe it." We don't expect anyone to believe something they have not read. I am not trying to convince you or anyone that The Urantia Book is true. The only thing that tripped my wire was the categorical statement, without qualifiers, that "[The Urantia Book] is a channelled work." Anyway, it's all a belief thing. Not one of us, most likely, can prove anything we believe. But one Catholic strangely told me: "I can prove that Mary is the Queen of Heaven. The Catholic Church says so, and the Church is infallible about things like this."
     
  19. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    I've read enough of the Urantia Book to know that I would likely have to rebel against the hierarchy if it was an actual thing, but I'm skeptical enough regarding it to not bother with doing so at this time.
     
  20. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Alright, so back to the topic at hand: Does anyone else want to add something about symmetry in the context of sacred geometry and sound, or do we want to let this necromanced thread go back to being buried?
     

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