The missing facet in the thread so far is: Fore fathers & elders 'Who were foolish serfs & nimrods' ---thus, that 'should not' be heeded. Religious faith [other than self-fabricated revelations replete with soapbox annuciations of a new-found revelation by svengalis] is passed down through the ages. BTW, by 'religious' IMO indicates 'ritual' only. Aside from 'rituals done by rote' ---the rest of historical acts were IMO prompted by worldly gain by those with an advantage to do so. IE, the catholic church maintained rituals ----whereas adventuous fortune hunters, who happen to be catholic, sought to colonise the old world ---esp before the next guy did so. IMO, Yes ask a Politician when he marches with a group that is politically profitable/advantagous yet not aligned with that Politician's core constituency ---if asked, the Politician will parse his langauge so as to be 'discribing two differing sides as a unified'.