The Truth - Are Karma and Reincarnation REAL?

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  1. Hermes

    Hermes Zos Kia Cultus

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    This is one of the most interesting and disturbing dilemmas I have had to face. All my esoteric training I was lead to believe that karma and reincarnation are the cornerstone of our cosmic laws and they are immutable in their impact and severity. Now, after studying further and getting a little deeper into the mysteries I am questioning the universal and ultimate state of these truths. First, I was also taught, from the start the esoteric truth is that our beliefs and ideas guide the ultimate, subjective reality we'd face. So if, any and all truth are just the subjective realities of our illusion then, time and space are only the subjective illusion, we collectively fabricated in the material realm. No matter how one thinks, the collective mind, humanities' group consciousness will ultimately influence his perception. In the higher realms, time and space does not exist, we know this from empirical evidence of those who have visited these realms and reported the strangeness of their experience. In infinity, there is no time and space. Hence, reincarnation is the illusion, that in tandem with the illusion of death, had been placed into our thinking to emphasize the sequential nature of our mundane existence. Also karma, as the Law of cause and effect is also an illusion. These illusions are all too real, but ultimately they have little impact on how things really are. It is all in your head, as the saying goes. The good news is death is also an illusion and your spirit is an immortal, everlasting light that naturally lacks imperfection and flaws.So fear based morality is not needed, it is OK to accept and try to adhere to this(karma) but negative, limiting thoughts based on karma are to be eliminated.
    From the perspective of magic - it is all an illusion, hence anything is possible.
     
  2. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    Karma as intention will affect your subjective mind. (How's that for illusion? :p)
     
  3. Hermes

    Hermes Zos Kia Cultus

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    It is "real" as long as you accept perception based reality as REAL. I am saying that it is to be taken with a "grain of salt" and not be placed into the shelf for the things reserved as ULTIMATE REALITY and LAW.
    Those things are far and few...like GOD= infinity and we are all ONE. All else is a dream within the dream....
    Having said this, I am not advocating the denial of karma or acts of unethical deeds, thinking that the karmic rebound will not hit. It will, because karma is our perception based concept, even in Christianity and even atheists are prone to say "what goes around, comes around". We are all in the Matrix and we must play by the rules, but certain personal limitations and limiting beliefs based on karma only work as long as you subscribe to them, and you are released as soon as you realize that you are, in fact in a dream.

     
  4. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    Even lucid dreaming will affect your mind.
     
  5. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Hermes,

    You need to define 'real'. Is anything in this universe real? No. Even gravity is an illusion.

    Do karma and reincarnation 'happen' within this universe just as much as gravity 'happens'? Yes.
     
  6. Hermes

    Hermes Zos Kia Cultus

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    Now we are talking. Nick, gravity is more "real" than reincarnation, IMHO. It is observable as one of the "laws" of physics. It is not based on our belief system as most esoteric concepts are. You cannot change your mind about gravity and expect to fly albeit some people came very close, allegedly... ;)
    Most unmeasurable, metaphysical concepts are true as far as we place strong beliefs in them, that is what gives them life and power.

     
  7. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    Depends on what you mean by "gravity". Do you mean Newtonian or Einsteinian or post-Einsteinian? The choice does matter.

    Karma is just another formulation of the law of cause and effect. Which (by the way) very much influences the notion of "gravity" (is it a cause or effect? is gravity a response of the entire universe to some action or merely the impact of some pre-defined, or definable, basis of it?). These are important questions.
     
  8. Hermes

    Hermes Zos Kia Cultus

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    Does it happen because it is the immutable law or because you believe it happens?
     
  9. Sam Albion

    Sam Albion akaFrancisKing:ViveLeRoi!

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    Karma is important, but the wishy-washy, infantile approach most have to this quite sophistcated for its time concept is not the truth of the matter.

    Karma, "work/action"... ka... making, ma, measuring -- how you colour (your actions and opinions) the world in turn, colours you. There's no getting away with it. If you fill your mind with Gods, then you will see them everywhere. If you wilfully, daily commit evil acts, eventually, that is what you shall become. It's like smoking, or heroin addiction: you don't wake up overnight and are an addict -- you have to make the effort.

    Instead of using the word karma, let's instead use the word... "habitual", or "psychological perspective". You're right about karma, but it's not as black and white as it's painted.

    The "collective mind" DOES influence man's perception, but only if a person allows it to. We all know people who, no matter how wrong they are, are convinced they're right. Some people cannot access empathy, or understand the power of ideology no matter how hard you try. They are stupid people, lacking something fundamental. The majority -- is influenced by the collective mind, and also, in turn, influences the collective. That this mind exists, without forms, is another erroneous, wishy washy notion.

    Reincarnation, though, is a different kettle of fish. In my belief system, what exists after death always goes on -- where it goes, or if it reemerges as a consciousness on earth, again, depends on them. That a person who tells untruths in life one should, in life two, be born with no tongue, is too simplistic. But, it is a truth that where you go, after death, depends on you, and what you've done and the kind of person you've been while you're here.

    You can try to convince yourself that there is no law but will, but you will eventually be proven wrong! There is a law, laws we all share as human beings, and how we interpret and live that law matters.

    Yes, you can do what you want to. But, for every action, for every opinion, there is a consequence.
     
  10. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    Sammy gets it. :)


    Limiting thoughts are also the basis for self-control. Self-control means you are consciously taking part in your own evolution.

    Not much room for evolution in this statement, eh?
     
  11. Hermes

    Hermes Zos Kia Cultus

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    I too, like Sam's post. I had some difficulty putting this in words as it is a cosmic paradox to say the least. I do not intend to ignore karmic consequences rather I am realizing that ALWAYS blaming current shortcomings on karma is often a blind, further; reincarnation. is for many, especially in India, is just an excuse to inaction and procrastination, "we can always deal with this (or that) in the next life..." - hence nothing changes, improves...
     
  12. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Hermes, you said,

    "Does it happen because it is the immutable law or because you believe it happens?"

    --> It "happens" because this whole universe was artificially created in order to give us a 'training place' to evolve to a higher level of consciousness. And yes, it is a result of immutable law.

    "I do not intend to ignore karmic consequences rather I am realizing that ALWAYS blaming current shortcomings on karma is often a blind..."

    --> Bad things happen for three reasons. One is, as you have pointed out, due to karma. A second is that we are sometimes intentionally provided with situations we can learn from. A third is that we just mess up -- we still have free will, and we certainly still have the ability to make bad choices, then suffer from those choices.

    "we can always deal with this (or that) in the next life..."

    --> Postponing a chance to work off bad karma until the next life actually creates more bad karma in some situations.
     
  13. Hermes

    Hermes Zos Kia Cultus

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    The way I see it; making the Matrix analogy - that Karma and Reincarnation are the "Immutable Laws in the Matrix" and can and will have impact on the dreamer, YOU, akin to dying in the matrix can actually kill the dreamer by influencing his subconscious [I know the movie was somehow different]. All "esoteric laws" are with caveats like that, except that, and it is worth repeating; Your spirit is an immortal and everlasting slice of the divine. Life, in the physical existence is only scratching the surface and unseen and untouchable ideals, realms and concepts are usually far more important then physical, hence this perishable "existence".
     
  14. seattlegal

    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    You might like this essay if you haven't read it yet, Hermes.

    Samsara Divided by Zero
     
  15. Thomas

    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Well karma is ... it's the law of cause and effect ... but that does not in itself suppose that some cosmic entity is keeping a tally, and presenting you with the bill.

    Reincarnation I generally find problematic, as it is expressed in the West.

    which mysteries?

    I tend to think this idea of 'esoteric truth' is somewhat materialistic. I don't think 'esoteric truth' is a field of data not accessible to the everyday eye, rather 'esoteric' signifies that which has a profound effect upon the individual. The actual 'truth' can be quite mundane, but in the right circumstances, can literally change one's life.

    It is an order of experience, not of information.

    But they're not. That idea is the product of the 'philosophy of relativism' that is the prevalent philosophical disposition in the West currently. All the Great Traditions hold to Objective and Absolute Truths as their core.

    Well there's karma in action for you. That is not necessarily a bad thing, nor is it Which is not in itself a bad thing, although it is inescapable.

    Careful. If what you say about truth being relative is true, then all we have is subjectivism. We certainly don't have 'empirical evidence', all we have is the anecdotal evidence of something known for its fallibility and capacity for self-delusion.


    Are you sure? I would say in the Infinite, yes, but infinity speaks of limitless distance and duration?

    I rather think it's a mis-application of the universal at the level of the particular.

    What marks the human apart as the crowning point of creation is that he lives in two realms, the spiritual and the physical. A disembodied soul is as much use as a disensouled body ... neither if fully 'human'.

    It is in God that creation begins; through man it is recollected back to God. This out/back is the exitus and reditus of the Platonic Tradition.

    Oh but they do ... if there were no cause and effect, there would be no movement.

    I know, but it is said by those who really don't grasp the concept. If it's all in your head, then none of it is real, and none of this matters ... so why bother? It's all a waste of time.

    That's a self-refuting argument.
    Death is not an illusion, it is a change of state. The suppositions of the eschaton are largely illusory, I agree, as no-one really knows what lies beyond the veil.

    What do you mean by 'spirit'? If you're talking about the individual psychism, then that is by no means immortal. Even ghosts wear out in the end. If you're talking about Spirit, the Eternal, the Light, then that transcends the individual state and is neither 'you' nor 'yours'.

    Nothing in nature 'lacks imperfection or flaws' ... nothing is perfect, as something can always be better.

    Ah, I think once again you're using the material definition of fear. In the sacra doctrina of the world, such as the Bible, 'fear' is often not what you suppose it to be — it can mean respect, for example.

    Of course, because of their karmic effect. Positive thoughts are to be lauded.

    Yes, but 'magic' is quite low on the scale of things, it works by the Law of Correspondence. The mysteries you mention above operate well above the domain of magic, if we have the same mysteries in mind.

    Just some observations from an old Hermeticist ...

    God bless

    Thomas
     
  16. Hermes

    Hermes Zos Kia Cultus

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    See my comments in blue font...
     
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    seattlegal Why do cows say mu?

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    Their mothers do that when they experience childbirth labor pains.
     
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    true. Seattlegal, thanks, by the way for the link/essay. It is quite good.
     
  19. taijasi

    taijasi Gnōthi seauton

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    In my time I have met dozens of individuals whom I've known before, in mutual (simultaneous) former incarnations ... and I've encountered a small handful of advanced Souls whose former incarnations (usually one, notable and well-known incarnation, sometimes more) have become known to me, although I did not co-exist with them, during that lifetime.

    Although each student would need to verify, or disprove my insights independently, there is a high degree of probability that I am correct about a good handful of these insights. What they prove, for the skeptic and the man with eyes wide shut, is nothing. What they might show for the rest of us is that one does not need to be enlightened, or even an advanced Initiate in order to come to certain realizations ~ about human nature, about our Spiritual potential and future possibilities (some might say inevitability, or Destiny) and even about some of the specifics when it comes to great historical figures. Patterns: what we are looking for (for obvious reasons, I hope) are patterns.

    Some of what I have to share is glamorous, only because we think we have some understanding of the figures involved. I can assure you, at least in a good number of the cases, that in fact we have almost completely misunderstood the Soul involved - and hence the personality in question as well - or at best we have captured only a small segment of the Purpose and modus operandi thereof, and so similarly, we have fallen far short of grasping what it was that the particular Soul in question came into incarnation (that time around) in order to achieve.

    The benefit of looking at this information (and that is all it is, since in order to consider it Wisdom one must be able to bring to it a quality of consciousness and a point of view which, in most cases, is as yet lacking) is that we can gain valuable clues into the nature of our own being, our own Soul, our own Purpose for being here and, hopefully, get own with fulfilling our highest Purpose. While most would prefer to argue what constitutes `reality,' and quibble over what church said what during what century about which magical angel dancing on some pinhead, or his collection of sewing needles, I prefer to think that having an awareness of the unbroken LINK between lifetimes, including what the Soul is doing in the `in-between' ... can provide food for thought for the remainder of this lifetime ~ and probably for many to come.

    Thought into action in accord with our DHARMA is the modus operandi of the Karma Yogin. There is no higher path that any of us here is currently capable of following, faithfully ... although that, only if we put our hearts & minds into it. Doing so does not require that we change our religion, or take new spiritual vows; rather, it requires that we renew the vows with our own Soul which some of us have taken long, long ago ... and by this I certainly mean in a past, perhaps long-past physical incarnation.

    Do not doubt for a moment that we progress, life after life, on a definite trek toward self-understanding, other-understanding, spiritual understanding and positive growth. DO DOUBT, on the other hand, any man or woman who tells you, with bated breath, that in fact the short road to Salvation or Enlightenment is available and open to all, NOT because said individual is necessarily full of shit, but rather, because this is the most difficult of ALL possible spiritual paths ... and sure as shit, IF it were easy, that same individual would already be there, as would countless others.

    There have been a few hundred arhats to already reach the closer shores of spiritual Liberation (Jivanmukta, or Enlightenment) ... perhaps several thousand. Shakyamuni Buddha was called the Buddha of One Thousand Arhats, because it is said that he enabled nearly that many Souls to rapidly attain to Liberation, culminating the long chain of rebirths which ALL SOULS must undergo here upon the planet. Maitreya Buddha may historically become known as the Buddha of Ten Thousand Arhats, yet what this means is that the net result of His past, present and future work (beginning even earlier than the incarnation as Sri Krishna) will be precisely the impact on ten times the number of Jivas as Shakyamuni. But what does any of this matter, beautiful and poetic as all of the theory most certainly is, if we ourselves have never known (that we are aware of) a single Arhat, much less a Buddha?

    What does all of this philosophy amount to, for those here who LOVE to PHILOSOPHIZE (or wax the mental carrot), if we ourselves do not know an advanced soul from a bag of oats, or even ONE CASE of the steady, definite progression of the Soul incarnation after incarnation?

    What I can do, is show you some of this. I have made it my object, among many, to study for decades what occurs after the person dies. I do not have the slightest doubt, NOT ONE IOTA, that my experience will prove helpful to me in the afterlife. Do I expect, through my knowledge and experience, to have the easiest time of things, or to find myself suddenly entering Nirvana, bypassing every obstacle along the way?

    No. And you shouldn't either. Read a little of the Tibetan and the Egyptian `Books of the Dead,' comparing notes, considering your training on the Purgatory (for the Catholics on hand), or pondering what you've learned about the Astral Plane. We know, for example, that normally you will spend a few hours, in the very least, within the astral mists, possibly wandering and lost, likely confused and searching for meaning, or at least enough rhyme and reason to process what is happening to you. It could take decades, on the other hand, unless you are an `earthbound' ... and the unfornate fate of such is sometimes to spend many centuries in this virtual limbo. From the standpoint of the evolving Soul, such is a most undesirable and unpleasant delay.

    We know this, not because there have been some mighty good speculations going on, in the case of the `living' throughout the eons, but because there have been so, so many cases of communication from the next world to this one (with greater and lesser accuracy or trustworthiness), as well as so many carefully trained, superbly qualified observers who have managed to penetrate the astral miasmas while still in the physical body and quite alive, then recorded what they witnessed.

    The observations of the superphysical worlds has always taken place, yet in recent centuries the amount and quality of material which has been made public regarding the astral, lower and higher mental planes, and even the Buddhic (`Spiritual') and Atmic (`Divine,' Nirvanic) spheres has multiplied almost exponentially. Still there is much speculation, and eager students will readily re-assign their own, preferred terminologies to what is clearly and obviously a universal phase, dimension and eventuality of human spiritual evolution ... and this helps a few, but often simply results in further confusion about subjects which sorely need to gain entry into our awareness if we are ever going to learn, collectively and as a planet, how to live properly, how to die properly, and how to go about our business day to day in a sane, intelligent and compassionate way, with the spirit of Goodwill and mutual Respect (based on Divine Recognition) for all.

    In the crisis before us, we may find that those who are of some spiritual mien are precisely those who choose to walk the walk, and not simply delight in talking the talk, because if things must come to a premature and unfortunate end, again, it will surely be important HOW we conduct our final moments (months, years, decades, etc.) upon this planet, in EVERY phase of our existence, and anyone who thinks that they will be spared the horror, the horror, all because they know some secret, arcane formula ... or because of their position, spiritual status or other affiliation along certain lines, has taken the art of self-deception to a new height altogether.

    No one wishes to insist to another that they must believe such & such a particular doctrine, except the man who has the most to lose by taking a new tack, considering a new approach, and perhaps asking whether some of the things he has long cherished as making sense to him might make more from another point of view. That man will argue hardest, longest and most irrationally, once pressed, because he is fearful, because he does not know where to turn (when challenged) and most of all, because his belief system is already stressed, and stretched, to the caving point ... where too much information, or even just a bit more along certain lines, will cause his world to crumble. These types are not on the spiritual quest proper in this incarnation, they are asking questions but the type of growth they are after is within their own particular religious tradition (where the can render true, positive and effective service), and pursuing questions about the series of incarnations culminating in human Enlightenment is a disservice both to themselves, and to others, because they approach the subject with neither honesty nor with any significant insights. How can they, when they themselves reject the very teaching out of hand?

    What I offer, then, is the testimony of one who knows a little, even though he has been shown quite a lot, and quite often, at that. I share only what I consider reasonable, from within my own wide and varied set of meditations, spiritual experiences, insights and observations. As such, my direct, eyewitness and firsthand testimony spans more than 7 incarnations and 3000 years. I gather it to some degree from each of these independent lifetimes, from all of them holistically and as a set, yet predominatly from the definite bias of my present incarnation (for obvious enough reasons, as I do not claim as yet an unbroken stream of consciousness from first to last). My studies have taught me much about the lives of various Rishis, Adepts, Arhats and Sages ... yet I only present the benefits of such studies where they relate to my direct experiences and observations, or where the insight gained has helped me to tie together what otherwise might have remained obscure, or a complete mystery. If I had room or if there there were any real interest, I would venture more on these MASTER studies, as I believe they show us ALL what we will one day face as our future challenges, opportunities and Destiny.

    In the following post, however, I will simply share a handful of cases where I can trace at least two, hopefully subsequent incarnations of the same Soul, giving enough details as to make the venture worthwhile, while still preserving anonymity, since most of the individuals I mention are still in incarnation ... and known to me, one way or another. The fact that many of these Souls are advanced Initiates, often of the 3rd Degree (called `Never-Returner' in Buddhism, or Hamsa [`Swan'] in the Hindu schools) is precisely what makes identification, or recognition, relatively easy. I know of few cases out of dozens where I have been able to gain insight into prior incarnations that were not either linked to a relatively advanced Soul ... or which were not, in & of themselves, notable and especially significant for the Soul in question (often meaning that the prior incarnation was notable, or of some special acclaim). This, if a person will stop and think about it, is entirely logical, as it is like walking along the beach and observing the shells, looking for something like a Scotch Bonnet, a sand dollar or even the pearl from an oyster. Yes, such are still relative rarities, yet these are exactly the reason most of us look for shells. It is not the ordinary ones we wish to find.

    Perhaps our lives, like these shells, are ordinary in the sum-total (as yet) ... with a rare glimmer here and there, yet if the Wisdom of the Ages has aught to share with us, it is certainly in the very least the message that we are progressing TOWARD A DEFINITE GOAL, e'en as surely as that goal must vary somewhat for each of us. Even two Scotch Bonnets (the NC State seashell, btw) are not quite identical, despite being cast from the same proverbial and symbolic mold ... though clearly there is more observable difference between these, a scallop and a cowrie.
     
  20. taijasi

    taijasi Gnōthi seauton

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    The most recent insight I gained into a former incarnation is the case of Beatrix Potter. This idea was not altogether new to me, as often (in retrospect) I can trace the emerging realization as having taken several months, or years, to gestate. Only gradually did the connections gel, such that I now have very little doubt as to my assessment. The person in question, who was formerly incarnate as Beatrix Potter, first came into my life during college, at least 20 years ago. This would suggest a total delay of easily two decades ... for me to realize something that would obviously have been true nearly 40 years ago (the person in question is approaching that age now), every bit as much as it is today.

    What does this show? Simply that I did not immediately discern the connection. Presumably I did not need to when I met this person in college. I also did not make the connection consciously about 10 years ago, when I re-established my friendship with this individual, briefly. Further, it has now been several years since I have had any connection at all with this person. Again, while the specifics of this gradual realization are of interest to me, they do not signify anything out of the ordinary in this case ... that I am aware of. The important aspect of the realization, for me, is the realization itself.

    The person in question is extremely attractive, highly functioning, calmly energetic, uplifiting, radiant and positive in nearly every aspect. Her alignment is decidely mental, yet her polarization is toward the Causal (higher mental) vehicle, and while she is highly cerebral at times, there is such a tremendous downflow of Buddhic force that she is almost overpowering ... in a very casual, nonchalant sort of way. Her smile is beaming, but she will never be subject to emotional excitement or imbalance. Her disposition matches her attainment, which is that of a seasoned Initiate of the Third Degree. This may be an attainment in this particular incarnation, yet it is entirely possible Beatrix Potter reached this Initiation in her own lifetime. Another possibility is that the current individual took both the 2nd and 3rd Initiations in her present lifetime. I cannot verify any of these three possibilities, except to say that the 1st Initiation lies many prior lifetimes in her past. The 3rd Initiation is the same one Jesus experienced as the Transfiguration. This is where the person in question currently `stands,' occultly. Her Ray energy is different, however, being along the 5th Ray to the best of my ascertainment, although the 2nd Ray (and 4th) are also tremendous influences, this fact dovetailing with what I have already said about the powerful Buddhic radiation from her Aura.

    My commentary on my experiences with this person might reveal more if I continued, but this at least gives some idea. I can say I knew this woman fairly well, in two different phases of our relationship, and I can also testify directly that her presence in MY life was always an uplifting, beneficial and HEALING one, while providing great spiritual impetus and Direction to my life (Purpose and existence). She was able to do this rather simply, and as a natural result, almost a side effect of who and what she is ... not at all through any kind of strained, outside or unusual effort. Again, my conviction that her former life was Beatrix Potter is extremely high. I would estimate at least 98 or 99% probability that I am correct ... and my insights do not always leave me with quite this degree of certainly. Looking earlier in her list of incarnations, I get nothing, nor do I feel inclined or interested. To see the thread, and to realize this much alone, is very much the same as I consider most of my other insights of this nature: A GIFT.

    Another guestimation, which I do not feel quite as certain about, is the case of a friend who is now deceased, having entered the higher astral or Devachan (although I communicated with him fairly recently, to the specific point of clarity of precipitating a short poem from him, a rarity for me). He went by the name `Mycroft,' and the moniker was almost an understandment as his intellect was certainly on par with a Sherlock Holmes ... or beyond. Again, this individual always seemed to me to be a fairly advanced Soul on the 5th Ray, just as the friend above. I knew Mycroft during graduate school, which is in between the two phases of my relationship with the first individual. Mycroft died a few years ago, but in all I knew him for perhaps a decade, though the relationship was the kind, between true Friends, which touches on the timeless and the ageless dimensions of our being.

    Probably only in latter years, possibly even after his death, did I decide that Mycroft may well have been St. Anthony of Padua. I cannot say for certain that he was not Dr. Angelicus, or St. Thomas Aquinas. Rather more likely he was simply a contempory of the latter, which points toward St. Anthony, as this saint overlaps slightly with the life of the Good Doctor. I have no other insights into possible incarnations, and given the overall gap between incarnations I would suggest that Mycroft was the next incarnation of St. Anthony, if the correlation is correct. It is always possible that St. Anthony had another, fairly immediate reincarnation, or that Mycroft was the reincarnation of another, relatively recent lifetime in the series (ending early in the 20th century). I would clarify the distinction, however, since already there is discrepancy with my friend who once walked about as Beatrix Potter.

    In the former case, the Soul in question is extremely advanced. She is a High Initiate in her Master's Ashram, and at most I would expect her to reincarnate a handful of times prior to Liberation. Here is where a study, and proper insight into the final, culimating series of lifetimes for ANY Soul would be of advantage. Mycroft may have been an `old Soul' as the expression goes, yet I would fully expect to meet him again, quite literally, in several of our future incarnations. By this I mean that he would perhaps incarnate twice as many times as the friend above. Say, 5-10 more times?

    This is the distinction: Where a Soul is near to completing its evolution, we may truly liken it to a multifaceted jewel, still displaying a few rough edges, but otherwise very close to true Perfection [Ephesians 4:13, John 14:12, etc.]. The desire to Serve Humanity is so great, and the spiritual aspiration is so strong, that many times the enlightened Soul will make the sacrifice of its Devachan, foregoing the hard-earned and well-won Heavenlife of sweet rewards and blissful review (whereby we ALL sift through our greatest experiences, so to speak, and learn to appreciate their TRUE VALUE [Matt 6:20]) ... in order to immediately return to incarnation and advance the Plan of God.

    I know that Beatrix Potter did this, and I know of many others (I will relate a few) ... yet I also know that I spent the 13th through early 20th centuries in Devachan, just as I did the greater portion of the Age of Pisces prior to the 12th Century life which I recall. As I say, the difference is often between that of an ADVANCED Initiate, where the Spiritual Will is strong enough to make the necessary sacrifice and return to Service ... and that of a less advanced Soul. Mycroft, then, could very likely be expected to reincarnate again quite soon (or already?), since he knows quite well that the Reappearance of the World Teacher is the most significant event in our Planet's History, or certainly during this phase of a 2100 year astrological cycle. COUNTLESS Souls have already been laboring intensely both within and out of incarnation, for generations, to make this event COUNT. :D

    My guestimation, since I consider the certainty less than in the case of my other friend, is that Mycroft was most likely St. Anthony of Padua ... and I would say the probability is at least 85%, but perhaps no more than 95%. I simply do not have enough external data, or other types of corroborating evidence ... although my root intuition and insight is not that far off from the case of Beatrix Potter, and in fact, in some ways it is perhaps just as strong, just as solid. It is, however, far from certainty.

    Of the cases that have always stood out to me fairly strong, both in terms of my own intuition and also, clearly, in terms of implications, the following several rank at #1:

    H.P. Blavatsky was known to incarnate almost immediately (and I have explained how and why this is possible, even likely) in a male Austrian body. She was often referred to (as `he') by the Tibetan Teacher when He was dictating the books through Alice Bailey. And Helena Roerich confirmed that in 1924 (or '26) HPB "reached the Stronghold" in his physical body ... meaning that the Austrian Initiate again made contact with the Masters, coming into Their Presence (presumably for the rest of that lifetime). Such was his right, after the service rendered, and such was also perhaps necessary and vital, for various reasons.

    What I have believed, since late 1995, is that HPB is again reincarnate, today in the form of an attractive American woman, actively engaged in continuing the service to Humanity which she began many many lifetimes prior to her incarnation in the 19th Century. We know that HPB also has a lifetime as Allesandro Cagliostro prior to her embodiment as the famous Ukrainian Initiate and Mother of the `New Age' (a dubious honor, given what calumny and character assault has come to her, both during her own lifetime and unto the present day, again a case of the small-minded and mean-spirited attacking that which they know is great, and which they envy for their perceived smallness of stature, by comparison).

    The only thread of connection which I have from the present incarnation, as I have gathered, is a story told to me by this person of a lifetime in ancient Egypt ... which takes the form of a dream, involving a religious ceremony, procession or ritual. The latter I believe to be one involving Nefertiri, which I think was also one of HPB's former incarnations. This, of course, I cannot substantiate, and I have never bothered doing any occult research to see if the tradition is supported, disproved or otherwise speculated upon by available literature and authors. Thus, my own thread shows that from the lifetime as Nefertiri, when I was probably co-incarnate with (if not known to, or by) her, this Soul again appeared - probably about 2000 years ago (or earlier), perhaps several more times before the lifetime as Cagliostro, and that takes us to the present day. In this case, I have a list of four subsequent incarnations plus Nefertiti, although I can only claim to have known this Soul for the first time in about 1994.

    One other unusual fact is that I met her, and the Soul that was Beatrix Potter, both together at the same place in the same dream, after a traumatic childhood event. I did not know at the time who these people were, and the realization only came two decades or more later, in hindsight, yet I now realize exactly what was going on, and why, and it phases me not in the slightest that I was associated with these Souls (both High Initiates) as a child of only a few years even though I would not meet either one in the flesh for at least two decades. The simple fact is, under the circumstances both individuals (and simultaneously, quite well known to one another, though in different Ashrams) acted as the Soul, and were coming to me in a spiritual capacity, NOT as the personality or in the same roles in which I would later know them.

    The details of my relationship with the Soul that was HPB are a bit too intimate to elucidate, but I can say that I knew her for some time before coming to my present understanding regarding the likelihood of her identity. She herself, equally as the next person in question, vehemently denies that my insight is accurate, yet I would note that neither person provides any reason for the dissociation. My insights, on the other hand, are well-founded, well-supported, and do not rest on any one fact or experience alone, but rather come from many years of association (and close, intimate experience) ... though as I say, they did not suddenly appear before my eyes in a flash, or in any such abstract state that I could not see the direct connections with all else that I (had hitherto) [known] about that person.

    HPB is now an advanced Initiate of the 3rd Degree, though I suspect that in many ways she is qualified to become an Arhat, and given that this woman has a close affinity for and involvement with Tibetan Buddhism (and actively attends a center in the Gelukpa tradition) ... it may well be that her progress has already carried her THROUGH the portal of the 4th Initiation from the point of view of the Soul. This may mean that for the remainder of this incarnation, into the next, she will assimilate and outwardly incorporate the result of this change, the Renunciation, such that she will attain to the Continuity of Consciousness from here on out, never again forgetting her link with the Soul, or with her own former incarnations, at each subsequent rebirth. Either way, I would estimate her own number of additional incarnations to be about 5, give or take, just as is the case with the first Soul listed (prior lifetime, Beatrix Potter).

    The difference, in the case of HPB, is that the Soul Ray is the 1st, and this is exceedingly rare, yet I already expect to find her appearing before us as an Adept in some ~500 years, as the 2nd Decan of Aquarius approaches and as Human Civilization finally settles into what most of us can foresee as a definite and lasting period of SUSTAINABLE GROWTH, and this on EVERY plane and phase, or aspect of our existence, rather than any kind of lopsided or temporary terms (as, for example, the financial progress in some sectors only of the most developed countries, itself often unbalancing and directly harming the remainder of our population, not to mention other of Nature's kingdoms, the global environment, etc.).

    Meanwhile, this Soul labors as a 3rd (if not a 4th) degree Initiate, she works behind the scenes, she lives a life relatively free of glamour, and as is the case with the Soul that was Beatrix Potter, she lovingly serves with a tremendous outpouring of Force, substantively changing for the better the external and internal conditions of all Souls who have the privilege of working alongside or coming into contact with her. This, of course, I know from direct and firsthand evidence, testimony and experience.
     

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