MEAT EATING CAUSES WARS! Refute it?

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  1. arthra

    arthra Baha'i

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    Finally, Buddha’s death due to [accidently] eating meat served to him un-knowingly

    I had the idea that He accepted the meat offered Him because of the spirit in which it was offered.. The meat turned out to be tainted and He accepted it anyway. He stressed that Chunha was not to be blamed in any event.

    The Buddha partook of his last meal, a meal of spoiled meat given to him by a blacksmith named Chunda. Chunda placed the meat into the Buddha's alms bowl, and out of gratitude the Buddha ate it. The Buddha insisted that no one else present eat the meat he ingested, and he made them dispose of it after he was finished. In order that Chunda not feel responsible for the Buddha's illness and impending death, the Buddha called Chunda to his side and told him how grateful he was for the meal.

    The Buddha's Final Days - Buddhism

    There are some who differ on whether it was Mushroom or meat..

    See:

    Mettanando - How the Buddha died

    Wisdom Quarterly: American Buddhist Journal: Pork? Mushroom? How the Buddha Died
     
  2. Hermes

    Hermes Zos Kia Cultus

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    Militant vegans are just as bad as militant pacifists ("I am for peace but I kill you if you are not.."). Do not mind what I eat and I shall not "butt into" your habits. I am generally very friendly towards vegetarians but I prefer those who do not wear this on their sleeve and shout it on street corners.
     
  3. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Similarly, "Forgive them Father, for they do not know"

    ???

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    Inre "Labels":

    without the Label of "Vegetarian" one earns the right to be a real life defacto "Meat Eater".

    Ironically, the world "Meat" [me eat] is NOT an Onomatopoeia . . . yet Crunch & Punch & Slurp & (sort of) are Onomatopoeic.

    Is the word "Stuff" a Onomatopoeia?

    At least it is (still) illegal to "Murder" ---while OTOH,
    "Killing, to eat a quadraped, or what have you, will suffice",
    Especially when the marklet place will support and rear the 99%.
     
  4. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    "Militant" ---Why do you get OFFENDED when CONFRONTED about a SUBJECT that really is of NO concern NOR notice?

    I am of the opinion that there is a strange BACK LASH when CONFRONTED about the SUBJECT called "MEAT EATING".

    I an't talking about the benifits of a Diet that "You have NO concern Nor thought out Opinion".

    Either you work for the meat industry ---thus your meager livelyhood is dependent on hawking 'The MEEK' as foodstuffs.

    Militant vegans? How else do you expect Social issues come to the forefront unless "Trust account Babies" have the free time to Protest aginst the Common labor classes?

    Anyone that complains about "Militant vegans" DOES NOT Have a life ---but they do find the time to protect their interests.

    MEAT EATING CAUSES WARS! is an issue of sublime reasoning.

    One doesn't seek sublime thought from the Masses!
    One hawks their ware to the masses!

    MEAT EATING CAUSES WARS! is an ancient issue!

    If you dismiss it ---you're involved with greater struggles already with no time to consider the nature of the Sublime.

    If you want "Your Opinion to Win" ---good news "You have won".

    I am the Underdog in this Thread.

    I am the loser in this thread.

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    BTW, any Woman who cares to keep her feminine beauty MUST avoid cadaver byproducts.

    Any Parent [or school Teacher] who cares to keep their teens form being sex-maniacs MUST avoid cadaver byproducts.

    Any Warden who cares to keep their inmates calm MUST avoid cadaver byproducts.

    Any Governer who cares to avoid Mass-Bad Karma MUST avoid cadaver byproducts.

    That is all,
    Bhaktajan
     
  5. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea Well-Known Member

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    Bhaktajan, I seldom understand what you write, and I disagree with you on this topic. But you seem like a good man/woman and I think you might be a source for a lot of good. Just wanted to put that out there.
     
  6. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Then you disagree with A SUBJECT THAT YOU DO NOT CARE ABOUT.

    Why do you not care about it?

    Because, it would seem logical, that this Topic is something YOU HAVE NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT [except as a fad].

    Ironically, your doctors and business places are NOT sustained by avoiding Bad Karma.

    I trust that the point is Not missed when I pass on the information:
    that I am directly & exclicitedly highlighting that So-called SANE people of the world disagree ---I AM TALKING ABOUT how the world is insane and UN-AWARE of this factor that brings War upon the people.

    It is NOT my OPINION nor MY Speculation.

    It is a sublime truth of life that I am referring to.

    I learnt it from the Sages.

    Does anyone here able to recognise a sage?

    MEAT EATING CAUSES WARS ---is a fact of life that is taught by the sages.

    War is Not a past time of Sages.
     
  7. IowaGuy

    IowaGuy Hunter-Gatherer

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    I would agree that many Americans have not given much thought to meat eating. They generally eat meat because that's what their culture "tells" them to do, that's what they ate at home, school, etc.

    I think the point some are trying to make (and I think you missed) is that by being so MILITANT about it, you can turn people off to your (very important) message that meat eating causes a lot of societal problems. (obesity, environmental damage, etc)

    I personally have shunned the "vegan" or "vegetarian" label although my eating habits are largely the same as before. In fact, today I ate at Subway and ordered a veggie sub with no cheese (my usual). I generally get very strange looks from anyone else in line :) But hopefully, my actions will make them think about why they want meat/cheese on their sandwich...
     
  8. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Yes. You are probably 100% about this.

    I thought of this very thought last night!
    [I must have picked up on the consensus vibe]

    Yes. I see how it is "In your face".

    But I am NOT a PETA like activist.

    I have stated above the REAL REASONS for Shunning Meat Eating.

    The issue at hand is NOT about anything social conventions and habits nor even the environment nor ethics nor even health.

    It's about WORLD CLASS BAD KARMA FOR ALL.

    The topic is about the metaphysics behind the curtain of MASS BAD KARMA.

    Maybe I should have titled the Thread:

    MASS BAD KARMA ---and everything about but was too clueless to ask.

    I thought everyone was clueless about this fact of socio-metaphysics.

    But there seems to be a sub-conscious acknowledgement of an endemic problem that apparently is difficult to admit to.

    This is not a Pet project of mine. It is an alarm bell of a topic.

    Maybe it just that I am preaching to the blase world.

    It is about the indifference.

    It is Not about my prancing about with a bone to pick ---I am Yelling FIRE!!!
     
  9. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    How you ever heard the term, "Penny-wise, Pound-foolish?"
     
  10. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Don't know what you message is saying!

    Answering (un-)asked questions with 'questions'?

    Are their multiple persons posting under your name "Seatlegal"?

    Are you trying to stay under the radar?

    Who is being critisied here ---for brandishing a full-length Mirror to our life (and cause of death) modes of operation?
     
  11. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    Squirming a bit there?
     
  12. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    If I seem to be squirming it's due to your inducing me with squirms.

    Any and All Squirmations shall be taken under concideration and duely noted and entered into memory.

    Squirming MUST be overcome and mastered lest a good samurai falls bereft of 'mindfullness'.

    "Musheen" is most effective as an anti-squirming stratergy.

    Yes, the squirms did seem to bombard me from all sides, blinded and made me stumble, I radio'd for back up! Scottie! Beam me up! Alas, I'm still here teetering on a mesa top waiting for a ladder.

    Should I have said?:

    MEAT EATING CAUSES SOCIETAL BAD-KARMA [up until the point of worst senario status]

    Should I have said?:

    MEAT EATING IS THE PRE-REQUISITE FOR SOCIETAL BAD-KARMA.

    IMO it is enough to get people to admit to this maxim [I speak of herein above] to the degree that "Meat Eating" makes people "Horney" aka "Randy" aka "sexually agitated".

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    Please Roman Catholic Priests and Nuns and Bishops and Cardinales and Monseniors and lay folk ---Stop eating Meat ---Meat eaters CANNOT keep Constant!

    Celebates CANNOT stay Celebate if they eat meat(s).

    "I told you Not to feed the boy meat; but Porridge"
    ---from the novel, 'Oliver Twist'.
     
  13. IowaGuy

    IowaGuy Hunter-Gatherer

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    Hmmm, I think you're stretching it a bit here? I have a hard time staying celebate as a "vegetarian" so I'm not sure meat has anything to do with it... Please cite your source(s) that meat eating is linked to non-celibacy.

    Along those lines, is sexuality linked (as you say meat-eating is) to societal-mass-bad-karma?!?


    So, no vegetarians have bad karma? (I know a couple of vegans that are real *#%!$, they sure seem to have bad karma to my eyes.) Meat eating is the only way to societal bad-karma?!?
     
  14. radarmark

    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    Jains are rarely celibate; but they never eat meat. Hitler was a vegetarian and responsible for much societal bad karma. By the laws of cause and effect those two things seem to contradict your thesis.
     
  15. luecy7

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    Personally, I see this as more a statement of consumerism in society rather than the quality of the hydrocarbon. People follow the dollar and the store just as they would follow Hitler, hire or be a prostitute for a buck. Blindly. The emphasis of the consumer or producer is on the quality of product or service rather than the quality of the person (or animal) that produces or consumes the product or service. If people raised and killed the animal that they eat, their view of the meat would be significantly different. I bet there would be a few more vegetarians. Minimally though, the person might actually know what the animal was fed, or how the animal lived. From my perspective, that applies to growing fruits and vegetables just as easily. The issue is: In the food chain, who chooses what to eat or feed on, and what was their decision based upon? There have been more than a few farming industries where the plants or animals were fed an interesting diet, as in the Matrix, and that led to disease further up the food chain. Going to the store, the product or service is on display like a hunk of meat, but what went into it is not necessarily known. Similarly in receiving money, what went into the money is not known either.

    The choice of what to eat, and from whom to eat it, and the choice of whom to have sex with, comes from somewhere.
     
  16. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Meat-eating is "Tamasic" [tama guna related] ---thus, anti-Brahmacarya.

    Brahmacarya = Celebate Student.

    All things related to the Protocols of Brahmacarya-ism will support vegetarian-ism.

    BTW, abstaining from Garlic, onions, vinegar help too.

    Let me repeat the "Standard of Measurement":
    MEAT EATERS CANNOT KEEP CELEBATE.

    OTOH, A vegetarian is seduced by ALL the Other Allurements into the bargin,

    "Karma is Transmitted by Bodily Fluids".
    This is not simply an effort at wit ---it is a Truth and it also is the Plain Logic of how 'Karma' is transmitted via consumption.

    Do You Agree: "Karma is Transmitted by Bodily Fluids"?

    Being an 'accessory to a crime' is usually pointed out by the prosecuting team ---it is usually ignored by the perpetrators themselves.

    Gita 2.62-63:


    In addition to 'Instant' karmic reactions to meat eating ---there are long term waits before karmic strikes. It's the desires that get inflamed/induced and raises hopes/desires higher. It's the strenuousness fear and sudden shock that the butchered animal endured that is earned in return for consuming their bodily fluids and skin and paws etc.

    Karma will get its conconminant Pound of Flesh Back ---we aren't above and more precious a creation than a fowl ---a creature that WE cannot replicate in a lab. We are in a dog-eat-dog world.

    Where do you think the evidence [for my stance] is to be found?

    Will you tell me after the debt is balanced?

    It's NOT the vegetarians with bad luck that Rule You and me and tell us how much the Toll is raising nor how school and rent costs will rise again and agin and again until you dead and gone.

    It's NOT the vegetarians that are crooked and dictatorial and selling Viagra during the evening Simpson Cartoon.

    ...it must be the rare celebates that are real the staunch Jains.

    Gita 7.3:
    Out of many thousands among men, one may endeavor for perfection, and of those who have achieved perfection, hardly one knows Me in truth.
     
  17. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    :rolleyes:

    There are different types of karma. The karma of intention that has its feedback within ones own mind is the one that leads to delusion:

    Gita 2.62-63:
    While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises.

    From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion bewilderment of memory. When memory is bewildered, intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost one falls down again into the material pool.

    One can just as easily develop an attachment to non-meat or an aversion (a type of attachment) to meat that will lead to the same sort of karmic feedback within ones own mind that can manifest as delusion.

    Are you sure you are not projecting the delusion from your attachment onto the object of your aversion? Think about it. Are you really being "celebate" as far as desire of the senses goes if you deludedly blame meat eaters for all the wars?


    Flesh is impermanent. Any such effects can fade if you let them go. (However, this would not apply to actual diseases born within the meat--that's a whole other thing to consider.)

    As a vegetarian, can you honestly state that you are desire-free (attachment or aversion) when it comes meat?


    bhaktajan, meet mirror. Mirror, meet bhaktajan. (Ever notice how the mirror is often a symbol for Truth?)
     
  18. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Karma is impersonal and cold and "grinds exceedingly fine".

    Karma is meant for humans to learn by the Stick

    simultaneously-Ironically,

    Karma applies its rules impersonally.

    And doublely-Ironically, everyone keeps coming back for more.

    I am NOT remotely promoting an idea that Meat eating & War have a "Direct Cause & Effect" ---why would you bother considering that?

    Does Car manufacturing result in Drunk Driving? They are distinct entities.

    I am absolutely referring to the paradyms of society network of Karma that HAS ALREADY yield Super-Mega-Mass-Wars ... but it starts in the details ... the lust and the un-mitigating meglomania that comes from meat eating is the common denoumenator amongst the statistical number of perpetrators.

    What a shame & sham to mention Hitler as a vegetarian [which I have learn is not true] ---because has no relevance . . .

    evidently (or due to self-denial inre this subject) that the Royal Dynasty of Adam and Eve sufferred an fraticide assasination by the First princes of the Old Testiment ---over a Flesh Ritual Sacrifice:

    Cain killed, nay, "Murdered" is brother ... cain did this a] against the Golden Rule & b] as per the injunctions of the Gita words inre "Lust & un-satiated Desires beget rage"



    Okay, let's try out the vista from the contray POV:

    Fiddling Uncle Earnie the CEO of Erections International says,

    "Eat a different type of Meats every day of your life"
    "Feed a different type of Meats to young girls along with alchohol"
    "Sing songs with vague and/or explicit sexual references"
    "Advertise & reinforce vice with sexual allurments"
    "never call societal commoners Trash, but rather engage them in the underworld"
    "There is always greener pastures after a prison stay"
    "just have an abortion"
    "Watch and absorb the principles injoined in the Sensational Boop-tube sages of "Three and a half Men" and seek your piece of the pie"
    "You only live once so... &^%$# whenever & where ever &^%$ ...you can"

    but ironically, the advice of Fagen the master pickpocket is timeless like:

    "But what ever you do DO NOT FORSAKE PAYING YOUR TAXES"

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    Don't be a Cosmic Hobo.
    Make use of your chance at Good-Karma Accruement now,
    bhaktajan
     
  19. seattlegal

    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    LOL, perhaps the title of your thread? :p

    Ahh, so eating meat does not cause wars, because they are different entities! :cool:

    Lust is not confined to meat eating. You are scapegoating meat eaters.

    You make a claim that all crows are black and I show you a white crow isn't relevant? :confused:

    LOL, now you supply your own "white crow!" {I love irony}

    Cain was a "tiller of the ground," not a shepherd. Abel was a shepherd. It was the vegetarian that went on the warpath in this case. Are you scapegoating Abel for Cain's mental hang-up (karma?)
    Genesis 4:2-5
    2 Then she also gave birth to his brother Abel. Now Abel became a shepherd of flocks, but Cain worked the ground. 3 In the course of time Cain presented some of the land’s produce as an offering to the Lord. 4 And Abel also presented an offering—some of the firstborn of his flock and their fat portions. The Lord had regard for Abel and his offering, 5 but He did not have regard for Cain and his offering. Cain was furious, and he looked despondent.
     
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    Correlation and causation are two different...

    How about Ephedra sinica, Cannabis, or a few of these other psychoactive plants? I know a few people who blame their criminal behavior on the drugs or alcohol... from plants.
     
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