MEAT EATING CAUSES WARS! Refute it?

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  1. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    The Vegetarian was a Vegetarian and his name was Cain. You have out done your self ---or whomever is posting under Seatlegal's Name-- there is a sudden sense of a Syble-Multiple-Personality in the tones of these posts . . . don't you notice? Oh before I forget, WHERE DOES IT SAY CAIN WAS VEGETARIAN. BTW, remind yourself WHERE DOES IT SAY WE ARE TO BE VEGETARIAN IN THE BOOK OF GENESES? In the first chapter? ----Hey! Maybe the Snake and His Apples symbolises something more meaty?
     
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    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Yes, so you agree with me.

    "Bodily fluids transmit Karma"

    similarly, or said in a more rudimentary way:

    "Karma is transmitted by ingesting an outside entity"

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    The direct Cause & Effect phenomenon is NOT instant-gratification.

    The insidious nature that Karmic payback takes form as, requires gestation periods to fructify.

    The fermentation process [of karmic payback] allows the web-like network of interactions to flux until they swell ---just like baking bread.

    Hey I have know this for 30 years, and have watched it's application day after day.

    I already known how karma works.

    You can read all about it on your own recognisance.
     
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    seattlegal Mercuræn Buddhist

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    There you go--you, the vegetarian, are the one advocating scapegoating.
    Well, let's see: I quoted the verses that said Cain was a farmer, and offered some of the land's produce to the Lord. Abel was a shepherd and offered up some of his flock. Cain produced plants, Abel produced animals, and Cain was troubled over this.

    Let's continue on in Genesis 4

    6 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Why are you furious?(D) And why do you look despondent?[c] 7 If you do what is right, won’t you be accepted? But if you do not do what is right, sin is crouching at the door. Its desire is for you, but you must rule over it.”(E)
    Let's see, God told Cain to get a grip on himself regarding his despondency over Abel's practices. Obviously, Cain didn't.
    8 Cain said to his brother Abel, “Let’s go out to the field.”[d] And while they were in the field, Cain attacked his brother Abel and killed him.(F)
    9 Then the Lord said to Cain, “Where is your brother Abel?”
    “I don’t know,” he replied. “Am I my brother’s guardian?”
    10 Then He said, “What have you done? Your brother’s blood cries out to Me from the ground!(G) 11 So now you are cursed, alienated, from the ground that opened its mouth to receive your brother’s blood you have shed.[e] 12 If you work the ground, it will never again give you its yield. You will be a restless wanderer on the earth.”(H)
    You need to stop being such a holier-than-thou a**. Since your farming is what gave you the holier-than-thou attitude to the point that you murdered your brother, you can no longer be a farmer. You need to go be a hunter-gatherer now and learn some manners!


    13 But Cain answered the Lord, “My punishment[f] is too great to bear! 14 Since You are banishing me today from the soil, and I must hide myself from Your presence and become a restless wanderer on the earth, whoever finds me will kill me.”(I)
    15 Then the Lord replied to him, “In that case,[g] whoever kills Cain will suffer vengeance seven times over.”[h] And He placed a mark(J) on Cain so that whoever found him would not kill him. 16 Then Cain went out from the Lord’s presence and lived in the land of Nod, east of Eden.​
    You are not going to get out of learning your lesson so easily. No one is going to kill you. Now get out there and start learning some manners!


    ***above posts were composed using bhaktajan-style logic***
     
  4. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    I enjoyed re-visiting the verses you cited.

    But I don't see the correlation.

    Yes, I blame societies ills upon 'profiteering of the commodities' that involve spilling of blood and guts.

    Now that you are an acolyte 'get thee to a Hare Krishna Temple Kitchen and start washing pots'

    amen,
    Bhaktajan

    PS:
    Just for the 'Fun of it' . . . Can you composed the antithesis (anti-logic) of Bhaktajan's ideas (ideals) ... yet expressed in bhaktajan-style?

    <I bet it will sound a bit like the Adam's Family's Uncle Fester.>
     
  5. bananabrain

    bananabrain awkward squadnik

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    gee whiz. clearly i have missed nothing.

    "refute it?"

    four words for you:

    bertrand. russell's. orbiting. teapot.

    look it up. manifestly ridiculous assertions do not require disproof. you've said yourself you have no evidence and a number of disproofs have also nonetheless been made.

    sheesh.

    b'shalom

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  6. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Thanks for droping by.

    You forgot to log-in your "refutation".

    There is In-put,
    There is out-put
    and I guess there is
    bananabrain-put.

    How esle to put it?

    BTW, any CEO would dis-qualifiy you for the post of Prison Warden ---since you're obviously not keen on the latest tricks of the trade.

    my presumption you're not interested in being the Warden?
    C'est la difference ---just a regular denisen.
     
  7. bananabrain

    bananabrain awkward squadnik

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    as usual, i have no idea what you're on about. you don't like meat-eating, that much i get. the rest i simply cannot follow.

    b'shalom

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  8. bananabrain

    bananabrain awkward squadnik

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    incidentally, i'd like to know whether vegetarianism causes rape? upon what do you blame the current crisis in india? or are these bastards all meat-eaters?

    b'shalom

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  9. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    You can't follow ... because of what your Guru told you?

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    I guess you can "follow" all the News Head lines without bewilderment?

    You know why & what-from of all the other issues in the Lime-Light... but the CAUSE & SOURCE OF THE WORST BAD KARMA POSSIBLE . . . alludes you?

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    The only reason I can see why YOU DON'T FOLLOW this ... is because you must be overtly concerned with other self-construed important matters.

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    Here one you can't follow:

    The day after the American School Shooting ---I was watching television where a Fat Stereotypical Mama type is doing here Cooking Show ---she is cooking a prep with her grand daughter.
    Together they were cooking VEAL.

    Baby calves as a group are called a herd.
    I erroneously thought a group of Baby calves was called "Kids".

    I am wrong! "Kids" are Baby goats.

    So I was surprised to hear about the "Kid Killers" twist in the News.

    Hoping you know that "Alice in Wonderland" was an socio-political allegory,
    Bhaktajan
     
  10. bananabrain

    bananabrain awkward squadnik

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    no, because you write like a concussed sheep.

    yes, but the same cannot be said for your thought processes. perhaps a decent meal would get you thinking right - how about a kebab?

    no, the *granular causality* of "karma" (as you call it) is simply more complex than you could possibly imagine. your argument appears to be tantamount to saying:

    1. X happens.
    2. Y happens.
    3. therefore X causes Y.

    i therefore suggest that all these terrible things are not caused by meat-eating, but by trees. down with trees! the bastards!

    i am actually flabbergasted that you actually think that makes any sense, besides being outrageously offensive to the families of dead children. these children deserved to die because someone ate veal? how disgusting.

    bananabrain
     
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    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    The Cow is a "mother"?
    Eat it and all sorts of calumny and associated distresses ---to say the least, occur as it has been occurring.

    Can not understand how the Cow is a "mother"?

    Don't you know that "they Shoot Kids, don't they"?

    not to be conflated with the Movie:

    "They Shoot horses, don't they"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/They_Shoot_Horses,_Don't_They?_(film)

    I don't quite get your banter.
    Destiny did what the history books says it did!

    Apparently, Karma is more-complicated . . . than keeping the GDP and the national debt in-controll.

    May I remind you that we are lost in space ... we know not why we exist ...in the interim time ... we travel and work sampling things that WE DO NOT OWN ---We think we are "Masters of All We Survey".

    We strut and swagger ---we don't know if there is a higher purpose and a grander time-scale that we are beholden to ---yet socio-paths on the rampage are for "specialists" to clean-up ---We are too busy being happy and Free to ENJOY!

    ENJOY a KABAB and lock-in the Interest rates Now!

     
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    no. i am saying that you make no sense and your argument makes no sense. my "guru" is beside the point. look, incoherent link-posting is no substitute for coherent thought and argument. if this is how vegetarians think, you're not an example i'd want to follow.

    no. i am saying that a proper understanding of the complex nature of causality precludes stupid, simplistic and tendentious assertions about particular causal chains. in other words, meat eating did not "cause" the school shooting. not only is this absurd, but your attitude is profoundly offensive. i challenge you - no, i dare you - to say this to someone in real life. they'd punch you in the face, even if they'd eaten nothing but tofu, you callous imbecile.

    well, so is a fish. so, if you go to the correct level of granularity, is the rice plant. what you won't admit is that there's nothing particularly unique or special about cows.

    i am sorry, but that is typical of an attitude i find ridiculous. there is no such thing as destiny except potentially on the most "karmic" level which, by definition, we *cannot* access, let alone understand. we have free will. are you saying you wouldn't have tried to save those kids, had you been there, because it was their destiny to be shot by a madman? that's what our unlamented correspondent lunitik would have said. you are claiming knowledge and insight you cannot possibly possess, simply to make an ideological point.

    that is precisely my point. it is *also* more complicated than whether we eat meat or not, but this of course you will not admit because you are wearing ideological blinkers about it.

    yes indeed - and this has *nothing* to do with whether we eat meat or not. your attempts to use the similarity of the english term "kid" to draw a link is so laughable it's, well, not even funny. it is in violation of this entire line of argument above as well as being utterly illogical. but then i have come to expect nothing better from you.

    bananabrain
     
  13. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Please somebody come to the aide of bananabrain ---and "skinker twat-igize" him!

    Cows are sacred and that's the TRUTH.

    If a PIMP earns a living at the cost of MOTHER COW . . . ergo, we will find MODERN DAY SOCIETY.

    I rest my case.

    The insipid vapid couch-potato self-grandising PIN-HEADS with "Monkey in the Zoo" behavior will NOT benefit society.

    YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
     
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    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Most of the world is non-vegetarian. Those who cause the war and those who are attacked are both non-vegetarians. In India, most brahmins and some vaishyas (traders and agriculturists) are vegetarian, rest all are non-vegetarian. So here also, the attacker and the attacked, both are generally non-vegetarian. The brahmins and vailshyas were generally not the rulers, so how could they cause wars? However, in mythology, brahmin gurus fought bravely. Remember Lord Parashuram, who cleansed earth of 'kshatriyas' (warrior castes) 21 times, or Gurus Dronacharya who led the Kaurava armies for five days.
     
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    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Maybe I am totally wrong?

    That war occurs when too many Warrior souls appear together, bla, bla blah, bla blah…

    Maybe Karma acts efficiently as it is already?

    List of serial killers by country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    and/or
    List of cities by murder rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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    Most of the world IS NOT vegetarian.

    Kshtriyas of yore = Military/Warrior/Administrative Caste.

    The Maha-bharata was fought ONLY by those Caste Kshtriyas replete with all sorts of warrior etiquette.

    Lion or tiger meat may have been consumed by outlyers from afar that joined in.

    Back then there was no need to conscript civilians into the army.

    Anyway, it all started with Mother Earth (Bhumi Mata) in the form of a Cow approaching Brahma so as to convene a quorum of Devatas so as to elicit Vishnu's descent to be rid of Asuric behavior among to fallen Kings at the end of the last epoch (dwarpa yuga).

    a] Mother Earth (Bhumi Mata) in the form of a Cow started the process toward cleansing.

    b] King Pariksit, the grandson of Arjuna, had a famous encounter when meeting a butcher ....

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    SB 1.16: How Par?k?it Received the Age of Kali | Bhaktivedanta Vedabase Online

    SB 1.16.4 — Once, when Maharaja Pariksit was on his way to conquer the world, he saw the master of Kali-yuga, who was lower than a sudra, disguised as a king and hurting the legs of a cow and bull. The King at once caught hold of him to deal sufficient punishment.
    SB 1.16.5 — Saunaka Rsi inquired: Why did Maharaja Pariksit simply punish him, since he was the lowest of the sudras, having dressed as a king and having struck a cow on the leg? Please describe all these incidents if they relate to the topics of Lord Krishna.

    SB 1.17: Punishment and Reward of Kali | Bhaktivedanta Vedabase Online

    SB 1.17.1 — Suta Gosvami said: After reaching that place, Maharaja Pariksit observed that a lower-caste sudra, dressed like a king, was beating a cow and a bull with a club, as if they had no owner.
    SB 1.17.2 — The bull was as white as a white lotus flower. He was terrified of the sudra who was beating him, and he was so afraid that he was standing on one leg, trembling and urinating.
    SB 1.17.3 — Although the cow is beneficial because one can draw religious principles from her, she was now rendered poor and calfless. Her legs were being beaten by a sudra. There were tears in her eyes, and she was distressed and weak. She was hankering after some grass in the field.
    SB 1.17.4 — Maharaja Pariksit, well equipped with arrows and bow and seated on a gold-embossed chariot, spoke to him [the sudra] with a deep voice sounding like thunder.
    SB 1.17.5 — Oh, who are you? You appear to be strong and yet you dare kill, within my protection, those who are helpless! By your dress you pose yourself to be a godly man [king], but by your deeds you are opposing the principles of the twice-born ksatriyas.
    SB 1.17.6 — You rogue, do you dare beat an innocent cow because Lord Krishna and Arjuna, the carrier of the Gandiva bow, are out of sight? Since you are beating the innocent in a secluded place, you are considered a culprit and therefore deserve to be killed.
    SB 1.17.7 — Then he [Maharaja Pariksit] asked the bull: Oh, who are you? Are you a bull as white as a white lotus, or are you a demigod? You have lost three of your legs and are moving on only one. Are you some demigod causing us grief in the form of a bull?
    SB 1.17.8 — Now for the first time in a kingdom well protected by the arms of the kings of the Kuru dynasty, I see you grieving with tears in your eyes. Up till now no one on earth has ever shed tears because of royal negligence.
    SB 1.17.9 — O son of Surabhi, you need lament no longer now. There is no need to fear this low-class sudra. And, O mother cow, as long as I am living as the ruler and subduer of all envious men, there is no cause for you to cry. Everything will be good for you.
    SB 1.17.10-11 — O chaste one, the king’s good name, duration of life and good rebirth vanish when all kinds of living beings are terrified by miscreants in his kingdom. It is certainly the prime duty of the king to subdue first the sufferings of those who suffer. Therefore I must kill this most wretched man because he is violent against other living beings.
    SB 1.17.12 — He [Maharaja Pariksit] repeatedly addressed and questioned the bull thus: O son of Surabhi, who has cut off your three legs? In the state of the kings who are obedient to the laws of the Supreme Personality of Godhead, Krishna, there is no one as unhappy as you.
    SB 1.17.13 — O bull, you are offenseless and thoroughly honest; therefore I wish all good to you. Please tell me of the perpetrator of these mutilations, which blacken the reputation of the sons of Pṛtha.
    SB 1.17.14 — Whoever causes offenseless living beings to suffer must fear me anywhere and everywhere in the world. By curbing dishonest miscreants, one automatically benefits the offenseless.
    SB 1.17.15 — An upstart living being who commits offenses by torturing those who are offenseless shall be directly uprooted by me, even though he be a denizen of heaven with armor and decorations.
    SB 1.17.16 — The supreme duty of the ruling king is to give all protection to law-abiding persons and to chastise those who stray from the ordinances of the scriptures in ordinary times, when there is no emergency.
    SB 1.17.24 — In the age of Satya [truthfulness] your four legs were established by the four principles of austerity, cleanliness, mercy and truthfulness. But it appears that three of your legs are broken due to rampant irreligion in the form of pride, lust for women, and intoxication.
    SB 1.17.25 — You are now standing on one leg only, which is your truthfulness, and you are somehow or other hobbling along. But quarrel personified [Kali], flourishing by deceit, is also trying to destroy that leg.
    SB 1.17.28 — Maharaja Pariksit, who could fight one thousand enemies single-handedly, thus pacified the personality of religion and the earth. Then he took up his sharp sword to kill the personality of Kali, who is the cause of all irreligion.
    SB 1.17.29 — When the personality of Kali understood that the King was willing to kill him, he at once abandoned the dress of a king and, under pressure of fear, completely surrendered to him, bowing his head.
    SB 1.17.30 — Maharaja Pariksit, who was qualified to accept surrender and worthy of being sung in history, did not kill the poor surrendered and fallen Kali, but smiled compassionately, for he was kind to the poor.
    SB 1.17.31 — The King thus said: We have inherited the fame of Arjuna; therefore since you have surrendered yourself with folded hands you need not fear for your life. But you cannot remain in my kingdom, for you are the friend of irreligion.
    SB 1.17.32 — If the personality of Kali, irreligion, is allowed to act as a man-god or an executive head, certainly irreligious principles like greed, falsehood, robbery, incivility, treachery, misfortune, cheating, quarrel and vanity will abound.
    SB 1.17.33 — Therefore, O friend of irreligion, you do not deserve to remain in a place where experts perform sacrifices according to truth and religious principles for the satisfaction of the Supreme Personality of Godhead.
    SB 1.17.35 — Sri Suta Gosvami said: The personality of Kali, thus being ordered by Maharaja Pariksit, began to tremble in fear. Seeing the King before him like Yamaraja, ready to kill him, Kali spoke to the King as follows.
    SB 1.17.36 — O Your Majesty, though I may live anywhere and everywhere under your order, I shall but see you with bow and arrows wherever I look.
    SB 1.17.37 — Therefore, O chief amongst the protectors of religion, please fix some place for me where I can live permanently under the protection of your government.
    SB 1.17.38 — Suta Gosvami said: Maharaja Pariksit, thus being petitioned by the personality of Kali, gave him permission to reside in places where gambling, drinking, prostitution and animal slaughter were performed.
    SB 1.17.39 — The personality of Kali asked for something more, and because of his begging, the King gave him permission to live where there is gold because wherever there is gold there is also falsity, intoxication, lust, envy and enmity.
    SB 1.17.40 — Thus the personality of Kali, by the directions of Maharaja Pariksit, the son of Uttara, was allowed to live in those five places.
    SB 1.17.41 — Therefore, whoever desires progressive well-being, especially kings, religionists, public leaders, brahmanas and sannyasis, should never come in contact with the four above-mentioned irreligious principles.
    SB 1.17.42 — Thereafter the King reestablished the lost legs of the personality of religion [the bull], and by encouraging activities he sufficiently improved the condition of the earth.
    SB 1.17.43-44 — The most fortunate emperor Maharaja Pariksit, who was entrusted with the kingdom of Hastinapura by Maharaja Yudhisṭhira when he desired to retire to the forest, is now ruling the world with great success due to his being glorified by the deeds of the kings of the Kuru dynasty.
     
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    no, it's your OPINION. i think they're as sacred as dogs and as sacred as onion bhajis. cows are TASTY and *that* is the truth!

    sheesh. no wonder you're not convincing anyone with a case like that. i wonder that you think it makes any sense at all. your case is basically "because i say so" - no wonder people got fed up with the caste system and its fundamental injustice.

    bananabrain
     
  17. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    "the truth" may not be applicable to your existence.
    Find an expert to give you a tune up. You wouldn't know "Truth" if it smack you in you billfold.

    Wisdom does not eminate from Bananas ---don't you know.

    Yoga starts with "Controlling the Tongue's Lust for pleasure".

    Meatbrain better describes your stratum than bananabrain. No?
     
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    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    your brain is also made from meat, dude. without eating meat we would never have evolved the cranial capacity we have, although you may be interested to know that we share over 60% of our DNA with bananas as well.

    "truth" my fat meaty behind.

    bananabrain
     
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