Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by AdvaitaZen, Jan 17, 2013.
The Test of SAMSARA
This is what prompted me to ask, "Does this equate to Zombie Metaphysics?"
The body dies along with all it's possessions.
A teacher teaches students so they DO NOT FAIL.
See Jane "Fall"
See Jane "Fail" the test of SAMSARA
Will a response state that only Fools "Die"?
Only the enlightened Fail to "die" or bypass death?
The enlightened understand all that is temporal is subject to decay.
The enlightened, in seeing this, detach from all that is temporary.
In detaching from all that is temporary, they realize that which is not and that which is their true nature.
Die yogi, die.
Die before you die.
Only then can you transcend life and death.
What good is this, though, if the vessel has already dropped?
This is true meditation, to consciously die at will.
Tasting death, you come to truly appreciate life.
You come to the difference between survival and living.
You taste of abundant life.
Only in understanding what life truly is can you speak of zombies.
People wondering around taking life for granted, not seeing the beauty around them because they are too busy going somewhere, doing as they are expected to do, just machines programmed to do exactly what they're supposed to. Not even conscious enough most of the time to question what they are doing, willing to ignore the question by convincing themselves they are acting respectfully, that if they do something else they will be shunned.
What is plain is how many are walking around without the foggiest idea what life is, too dead set on leaving their mark, on achieving something, to show everyone their life meant something. The problem is, in the mean time, they forget to actually live.
Too many forget to simply be grateful for the miracle happening this very moment.
Life exists nowhere but here and now.
We truly can offer nothing to life, neither does it ask.
It simply goes on giving.
Yes?! Someone did say that, didn't they. You missed the rest of it though: word, mouth, God.
You have been teaching to drop life, meditate thinking and doing nothing, to imitate death, to merely wait to see what gets presented to you. 'If Son thou are of God -- cast yourself down...'
You could be much further from understanding me.
Firstly, for me, time is false, so why would I say to wait? Waiting means exactly that this moment isn't what you want, but this is the only moment where life exists.
I certainly say you should drop the apparent life, that contemplating death is the most direct way to know what is real or illusion, but this is only because I know that in the death of the personal, we come to know the divine. Instead of the survival of the personal, there is true aliveness for the first time.
You read something life-negative into my words, I would suggest it is because you have a deep fear of death despite all you so-called religion. True religion begins when we are willing to die for truth, and nothing short of this is necessary - how can you be born again without dying? Do you trust you faith enough to trust that in giving up all you believe you are, you will partake in the divine reality? Belief is nothing, this is the test of faith, it is a show of trust.
Until religion becomes this real, you are just practicing delusion. All religious insanity comes from feeling the need to prove your beliefs, but being unwilling to actually see the purpose of religion.
Do your parents tell you to stay, and you don't want to? Reminds me of the Stephen King 'Misery'.
First time? False. Your words, just a sentence or two ago: "Firstly, for me, time is false..."
Yes, I know what you suggest. You say you value death. I also read what you seek for yourself, and if you were that frank person, I know what you said and did in a few events where I interacted with you. You say life and death are two sides to the same coin, but if someone sacrifices time with you and requests you to sacrifice a moment, that person will see you differently than the way you see yourself.
Yes Truth full religion begins when we are willing to sacrifice for the sake of Truth for others... and Loving religion begins when we are willing to sacrifice for the sake of love for others. Timely religion begins when we are willing to sacrifice for the sake of patience for others. Faith religion begins when we are willing to sacrifice for the sake of faith for others. Trust religion begins when we are willing... you get the idea. If you have sacrificed to have truth, love, patience, and faith for an other, then you have certainly sacrificed your own pursuit for Truth, love, patience, faith, enlightenment, etc... from others.
I am willing to trust and have faith in a zombie that believes differently than me, so that he may learn a lesson, or that I may learn... with time.
I am unsure how this relates to anything.
Again these are unrelated.
When I say time doesn't exist, I mean to say for me there is no past or future, all is a continuous now. Memories are thoughts arising now which we attach to, dreams or hopes or even just plans and indeed fears are all just more thoughts relating to our idea of future.
'For the first time' is a turn of phrase, I certainly remember what life was like before this gift, I would say that was closer to death though, mere survival.
Of course, the mind projects constantly.
Is this what you think you do?
This isn't sacrifice at all, you want others to think a certain way about you. You want to control those around you because it proves to yourself you matter.
True sacrifice is as Jesus said on the cross 'I commend my spirit to you', yet Jesus has waited until the last moment. You have said you also enjoy Islam, a true Muslim is exactly this, one who has died as an individual, as something separate and lives as the divine. This is what the very word means: to surrender (to God).
If you act for your own benefit, or even pride yourself on how you think you treat others, you are still living as ego.
If you truly want to learn something, look deeply at this 'I', what is its nature? Know it is just another thought, just as the body is a phenomenon in consciousness so too are all thoughts, these are all objective realities. Find out the true subject and stay as that, now simply watch the mind and body and world, aloof because none touches you. Now go about your day staying as this, letting everything happen as it must. This is the mindfulness of Buddha, go on reminding yourself all that arises is apart from you.
An amazing thing happens, you become more open to everything, there is such love that floods for it all. You won't have expected it, but the ego is such a constricting mechanism, always living on comparison, judgment, but now you see these are all just more thoughts. Gradually more and more is revealed as you rest as this, things come spontaneously as needed, life itself picks you up and carries you.
All the religious founders have ever been doing is to tell us to utterly let go, the death of the ego is the birth of the real you, you simply live now as love itself. Not attached love, not love that you feel for others, these are all very low by comparison. You are love manifest, as it is said God is love unmanifest, you simply live as that.
Openness happens because now there is nothing to protect, there is no story to adhere to, you know you are nothing that can be said about you, all is arising for you and requires your attention to remain.
Any judgment you make about another, too, is merely a thought, dropping attention from it brings you back to now. It is amazing what arises when you can simply allow another without expectations.
In this way love is viral, in this way the world can become a beautiful place. As long as man maintains ulterior motives, though, things will continue to get worse. All evil, all sin, it all stems from the delusions that arise with ego, with identifications, with modifications of pure awareness.
You are only the awareness.
'I am that I am', that very awareness by itself, not this or that, the very ocean all waves arise and fall in. Physical and spiritual, mental and emotional, it is the source of all, and you are not other than it.
What is divine?
The word divine refers to a state of bliss and perhaps ecstasy.
When used in a religious context, it refers to the sublime sensations that come as a reward for union, and subsequently when you are in tune with that.
This state is what oneness, nonduality, God, Brahman, sunyata, Tao, ect all point to.
Rebind is the direct translation of religion, where ego is the source of division.
Let us use simple words. It seems our difference is in the words that we use. In non-duality, which we both seem to believe in, there cannot be any divine different from what may not be considered so. 'Eko sad' (what exists is one), that is what hindu books said. Then what is 'bliss'? For those who are satisfied with the answers of their questions, there is satisfaction, but that is not any bliss or ecstacy. In the words of Krishna, 'sukha-duhkhe same kritva, labhah alabhah, jaya, ajaya ..' (same in happiness or sorrow, profit or loss, victory or defeat ..), or, in the words of Buddha, 'tathagata' (one who have thus arrived). That is equanimity. That is nirvana, moksha, or enlightenment.
Bliss is equanimity, contentment.
When nonduality is directly encountered, there is the most sublime ecstasy imaginable, every cell pulsates with love, yet this is only dhyana, higher still is samadhi in which there is no experiencing at all.
Contemplating nonduality has allowed me to see both, so what I say is not belief but rather an attempt to say the insight gained in these.
I say 'the divine' only because it is generic, what is seen is not of any religious system, indeed all terminology used tries to point at what is seen.
You could use the word 'exquisite' which has no religious connotations.
It is as though every cell in the universe has exploded into ecstasy within you. It seems like it should be impossible to live through, and you would gladly die in it because life is absolutely complete. You simple know this is why we are alive, constantly I ask why I am still alive, and the only answer I find is to share this with others.
If you know a word for this, let me know, all fall infinitely short that I have found.
I have already mentioned the word for this but it seems it does not meet your approval.
It just doesn't do it justice, neither does divine since these are synonyms but at least people have idea what is meant.
I must question whether you have know it if you feel any words say it, it is literally mind blowing, but words arise in the mind.
Since none can, it doesn't really matter what we use.
They are only there to assist in finding it so words aren't needed anymore.
I am satisfied with many words, knowing, realizing, understanding, enlightenment, getting away, moksha, and deliverance (from ignorance). The feeling is satisfaction, fulfillment, end of the quest, and nirvana.
Yes, which only consist in seeing through dissatisfaction, unfulfillment, the one seeking nirvana. In seeing they have no true reality they are dropped and only moksha remains.
Yet, if it remains a thought only, you only befool yourself.
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