Final Warning Given Unto Mankind, Tribulation Is Near and Soon Cometh.

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Or, it could be said that under a sufficient amount of stress some people regress into magical thinking as a coping mechanism.
I just think they become very religious very fast. If your really an athesist you would not uses god as a coping mechanism.
 

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I just think they become very religious very fast. If your really an athesist you would not uses god as a coping mechanism.

I understand your feeling about this, but it is quite normal for people to do this, it is the human condition. At a certain point of stress the prefrontal cortex becomes "unplugged" as it were and the person is left with only the midbrain to do the processing. That can lead to leaning on earlier behaviors that provided comfort. It isn't an indication of duplicity, rather just a normal reaction to an overstimulated amygdala.
 

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I understand your feeling about this, but it is quite normal for people to do this, it is the human condition. At a certain point of stress the prefrontal cortex becomes "unplugged" as it were and the person is left with only the midbrain to do the processing. That can lead to leaning on earlier behaviors that provided comfort. It isn't an indication of duplicity, rather just a normal reaction to an overstimulated amygdala.[/QUOTE Science doesnt really know much about the brain. I think its much simpler than that. I really think they just realize , there is a god.
 

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I understand your feeling about this, but it is quite normal for people to do this, it is the human condition. At a certain point of stress the prefrontal cortex becomes "unplugged" as it were and the person is left with only the midbrain to do the processing. That can lead to leaning on earlier behaviors that provided comfort. It isn't an indication of duplicity, rather just a normal reaction to an overstimulated amygdala.[/QUOTE Science doesnt really know much about the brain. I think its much simpler than that. I really think they just realize , there is a god.

That's a pretty big leap, to think you can understand the motivation of other human beings. Additionally, while we have a long way to go understanding the human brain, brain studies have taken leaps and bounds in the last twenty years. Of course, if you aren't involved in actual studies of things like affective neuroscience much of what you might intuitively understand is likely to be either wrong or simplistic.
Normally, people think that data should be intuitive, when in reality, much of the research in brain science can be quite counter-intuitive. As I've stated earlier, using the faster heursitical thinking is something of a go-to strategy, and unfortunately in science one must learn to think methodically, what Kahneman (2012) refers to as "thinking slow" as opposed to thinking fast.
One thing the study of psychology did for me was to learn empirically that human behavior is not something that can be explained intuitively. Indeed, much of intuitive thinking is demonstrably incorrect (Chance, 2009).
 

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You are talking about end time signs. Some people like to think that there is no GOD. Science has even admitted that something cannot be created from nothing. Intelligent life comes from intelligent life that always existed. They like to think that they are GODs themselves and make fun of people like you that post scripture. Wont they be surprised the day that they actually meet GOD and he says so I dont exist and your me?

The problem with bringing in God is who created God?

If we say God created God, then God already existed, you answer nothing.

Most will answer this by saying God is not limited to our logic, it is a cheap way out.

If God can exist without beginning, why can't existence?

Why can't we simply allow that existence itself is intelligent?

The God hypothesis simply isn't helpful, it is just that man needs a personification of existence to love it, an object of devotion is necessary to justify the worship that increases our capacity for love.

It is not an existential reality.
 

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The problem with bringing in God is who created God?

If we say God created God, then God already existed, so you assert that something was created by nothing and thus defeat your own logic.

Existence itself is intelligent, we do not need to project a being that is its source - any such being has also arisen from the same source, it just thinks it is the creator because there were no other beings when it became self-conscious.

Most true is the Buddhist concept of dependent origination, and is what science describes today.
No. Scientifically I believe in the theory of conscious design. That consciousness always existed and that consciousness came from consciousness. Something cannot be created from nothing. That consciousness that exists that is the source of all consciousness is the Creator(s).
 

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My own problem with the general projection of God is that is principally used to justify hate.

We think we are serving a powerful figure, earning a great reward for satisfying this figure, so we are ready to do almost anything.

No, the God hypotheses has failed.
 

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Endtimes, Schmend times. In the Western Tradition from Zoroastrianism to Bah'aism, that is why I like Sikhism... eternity not an end time. Why would the D!vine be so mean to us? Do we send out rockets to kill our children to "bring them home"? Not bloody likely.
If you ever get to Seattle, I invite you to visit the local Gurudwara! :)
 

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No. Scientifically I believe in the theory of conscious design. That consciousness always existed and that consciousness came from consciousness. Something cannot be created from nothing. That consciousness that exists that is the source of all consciousness is the Creator(s).

You again say that consciousness has not been created.

Why can't we simply be an arising in that consciousness? Your whole reasoning is based in error, you think you are something separate, thus uniquely created.

What you are is still the single consciousness, retracted due to you beliefs, projections that create a wrong perception. The ego is the reason, it is exactly the cause of perceived distinction.

Without ego, you realize you are the whole.
 

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My own problem with the general projection of God is that is principally used to justify hate.

We think we are serving a powerful figure, earning a great reward for satisfying this figure, so we are ready to do almost anything.

No, the God hypotheses has failed.
How has the god hypotheses failed? Conscious design makes perfect scientific sense. Its not a reward it is a gift. We are at the core beings that are literally love. GOD is love and love came from love. This is a mind a pure consciousness. Biblical accounts call it the HOLY spirit. Its not about satisfying a figure its about who and what we all really are and were in the beginning and getting back to that place we were where death, sickness, aging and suffering does not exist.
 

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How has the god hypotheses failed? Conscious design makes perfect scientific sense. Its not a reward it is a gift. We are at the core beings that are literally love. GOD is love and love came from love. This is a mind a pure consciousness. Biblical accounts call it the HOLY spirit. Its not about satisfying a figure its about who and what we all really are and were in the beginning and getting back to that place we were where death, sickness, aging and suffering does not exist.

The arising which ego points at cannot avoid death.

Suffering is caused by identification with that arising.

We have never ceased being pure love, but that love has become utterly involved in the arising.

There are not two loves, there is only love.

Love is the quality of pure consciousness.

God is not necessary as a personification, there is no distinct being that created existence.

Existence itself is the only thing that can be called God.
 

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How has the god hypotheses failed? Conscious design makes perfect scientific sense. Its not a reward it is a gift. We are at the core beings that are literally love. GOD is love and love came from love. This is a mind a pure consciousness. Biblical accounts call it the HOLY spirit. Its not about satisfying a figure its about who and what we all really are and were in the beginning and getting back to that place we were where death, sickness, aging and suffering does not exist.

Can you expand on that? Are there any research reports you could link to?
 

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The arising which ego points at cannot avoid death.

Suffering is caused by identification with that arising.

We have never ceased being pure love, but that love has become utterly involved in the arising.

There are not two loves, there is only love.
Song of Songs
1 Solomon’s Song of Songs.
She[a]

2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth—
for your love is more delightful than wine.
3 Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes;
your name is like perfume poured out.
No wonder the young women love you!
4 Take me away with you—let us hurry!
Let the king bring me into his chambers.

Friends

We rejoice and delight in you[b];
we will praise your love more than wine.

She

How right they are to adore you!

5 Dark am I, yet lovely,
daughters of Jerusalem,
dark like the tents of Kedar,
like the tent curtains of Solomon.[c]
6 Do not stare at me because I am dark,
because I am darkened by the sun.
My mother’s sons were angry with me
and made me take care of the vineyards;
my own vineyard I had to neglect.
7 Tell me, you whom I love,
where you graze your flock
and where you rest your sheep at midday.
Why should I be like a veiled woman
beside the flocks of your friends?

Friends

8 If you do not know, most beautiful of women,
follow the tracks of the sheep
and graze your young goats
by the tents of the shepherds.

He

9 I liken you, my darling, to a mare
among Pharaoh’s chariot horses.
10 Your cheeks are beautiful with earrings,
your neck with strings of jewels.
11 We will make you earrings of gold,
studded with silver.


This clearly shows that it is two: one male and one female that are one and also three as well. Its the one book in the bible u should take literally.
 

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Song of Songs
1 Solomon’s Song of Songs.
She[a]

2 Let him kiss me with the kisses of his mouth—
for your love is more delightful than wine.
3 Pleasing is the fragrance of your perfumes;
your name is like perfume poured out.
No wonder the young women love you!
4 Take me away with you—let us hurry!
Let the king bring me into his chambers.

Friends

We rejoice and delight in you[b];
we will praise your love more than wine.

She

How right they are to adore you!

5 Dark am I, yet lovely,
daughters of Jerusalem,
dark like the tents of Kedar,
like the tent curtains of Solomon.[c]
6 Do not stare at me because I am dark,
because I am darkened by the sun.
My mother’s sons were angry with me
and made me take care of the vineyards;
my own vineyard I had to neglect.
7 Tell me, you whom I love,
where you graze your flock
and where you rest your sheep at midday.
Why should I be like a veiled woman
beside the flocks of your friends?

Friends

8 If you do not know, most beautiful of women,
follow the tracks of the sheep
and graze your young goats
by the tents of the shepherds.

He

9 I liken you, my darling, to a mare
among Pharaoh’s chariot horses.
10 Your cheeks are beautiful with earrings,
your neck with strings of jewels.
11 We will make you earrings of gold,
studded with silver.


This clearly shows that it is two: one male and one female that are one and also three as well. Its the one book in the bible u should take literally.

No, this is poetry, it is attempting to say the unsayable.

When lover and beloved merge, that is love.

The transcendence of two creates the third, and that is God.
 

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Sorry, there is nothing scientific about this. The problem with intelligent design is that it is based on a tautology, that is not science by any stretch of the imagination. You must understand that in order for a hypothesis to fly it must be falsifiable. Intelligent design by virtue of it being based on a tautology means that it cannot be falsifiable or in other words, we cannot disprove it using the scientific method. Thus it is not science. I hope this helps you to understand.
 

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No, this is poetry, it is attempting to say the unsayable.

When lover and beloved merge, that is love.

The transcendence of two creates the third, and that is God.
It isnt just poetry. Look at the two women and solomon. They were fighting over a child which represents the human child as it was in the beginning being a very complex being consisting of three parts that make up the whole being. One male and one female that even though two are also one as well. He mentioned cutting the child in two giving each mother half the child. The true mother would have rather give up that child than have it cut in half because she knew the child would die. This goes back to the fall where the pairs were split apart and the human community because mortal. The song of solomon is about the love between the pair. It not just poetry but based on that love. GOD is a male term. Goddess the female term. The Creator-singular is the oneness of the two. All three go hand in hand and what an infinite being literally is. Any distortion from this complex entity is not infinite life. .
 

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It isnt just poetry. Look at the two women and solomon. They were fighting over a child which represents the human child as it was in the beginning being a very complex being consisting of three parts that make up the whole being. One male and one female that even though two are also one as well. He mentioned cutting the child in two giving each mother half the child. The true mother would have rather give up that child than have it cut in half because she knew the child would die. This goes back to the fall where the pairs were split apart and the human community because mortal. The song of solomon is about the love between the pair. It not just poetry but based on that love. GOD is a male term. Goddess the female term. The Creator-singular is the oneness of the two. All three go hand in hand and what an infinite being literally is. Any distortion from this complex entity is not infinite life. .

What evidence is there for taking this literally?

Where is the evidence that we weren't intended to be the way we are, that we have been split and thus became mortal? It is simply absurd to take this literal, and even more dangerous that religion has this power over you.

All material dissolves, this is what old age and death is.

You are not the form, you are the formless, but your whole pursuit seems to be about preserving the ego, the concept you have of what you are.

Again I tell you that you aren't what you think you are, what you think you are merely arises in what you are. If you truly want to find your eternal nature, you have to go into this, you have to find out for whom all this arises, what the nature of awareness itself is, that which sees all that arises in consciousness.

If you want to keep persisting with absurdities, this conversation will go no where, and is thus simply pointless to continue.

At least attempt rational thought, please.
 

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What evidence is there for taking this literally?

Where is the evidence that we weren't intended to be the way we are, that we have been split and thus became mortal? It is simply absurd to take this literal, and even more dangerous that religion has this power over you.

All material dissolves, this is what old age and death is.

You are not the form, you are the formless, but your whole pursuit seems to be about preserving the ego, the concept you have of what you are.

Again I tell you that you aren't what you think you are, what you think you are merely arises in what you are. If you truly want to find your eternal nature, you have to go into this, you have to find out for whom all this arises, what the nature of awareness itself is, that which sees all that arises in consciousness.

If you want to keep persisting with absurdities, this conversation will go no where, and is thus simply pointless to continue.

At least attempt rational thought, please.
this is rational thought. God exists.
 

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this is rational thought. God exists.

Then God exists within what you actually are.

All that is perceived exists within consciousness, including the perceiver... who is aware of this?

This is unmanifest, eternal - formless and timeless - and thus cannot be said to actually exist. Yet, it is the source of all that exists, and the space in which all happens.

This is our true nature.
 
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