The Song of Moses and end time signs

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  1. donnann

    donnann Well-Known Member

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    Then sang Moses and the children of Israel this song Rev. 15.3 unto the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], and spake, saying,
    I will sing unto the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea. 2 The L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] is my strength and song,
    and he is become my salvation: Ps. 118.14 · Is. 12.2 he is my God, and I will prepare him a habitation; my father's God, and I will exalt him. 3 The L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] is a man of war:
    the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] is his name. 4 Pharaoh's chariots and his host hath he cast into the sea:
    his chosen captains also are drowned in the Red sea. 5 The depths have covered them:
    they sank into the bottom as a stone. 6 Thy right hand, O L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], is become glorious in power:
    thy right hand, O L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], hath dashed in pieces the enemy. 7 And in the greatness of thine excellency thou hast overthrown them that rose up against thee:
    thou sentest forth thy wrath, which consumed them as stubble. 8 And with the blast of thy nostrils the waters were gathered together,
    the floods stood upright as a heap, and the depths were congealed in the heart of the sea. 9 The enemy said,
    I will pursue, I will overtake, I will divide the spoil; my lust shall be satisfied upon them; I will draw my sword, my hand shall destroy them. 10 Thou didst blow with thy wind, the sea covered them:
    they sank as lead in the mighty waters. 11 Who is like unto thee, O L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], among the gods?
    Who is like thee, glorious in holiness, fearful in praises, doing wonders? 12 Thou stretchedst out thy right hand,
    the earth swallowed them. 13 Thou in thy mercy hast led forth the people which thou hast redeemed:
    thou hast guided them in thy strength unto thy holy habitation. 14 The people shall hear, and be afraid:
    sorrow shall take hold on the inhabitants of Palesti'na. 15 Then the dukes of Edom shall be amazed;
    the mighty men of Moab, trembling shall take hold upon them; all the inhabitants of Canaan shall melt away. 16 Fear and dread shall fall upon them;
    by the greatness of thine arm they shall be as still as a stone; till thy people pass over, O L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], till the people pass over, which thou hast purchased. 17 Thou shalt bring them in, and plant them in the mountain of thine inheritance,
    in the place, O L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], which thou hast made for thee to dwell in; in the sanctuary, O L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], which thy hands have established. 18 The L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] shall reign for ever and ever.
    19 ¶ For the horse of Pharaoh went in with his chariots and with his horsemen into the sea, and the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE] brought again the waters of the sea upon them; but the children of Israel went on dry land in the midst of the sea.
    20 And Miriam the prophetess, the sister of Aaron, took a timbrel in her hand; and all the women went out after her with timbrels and with dances.
    21 And Miriam answered them,
    Sing ye to the L[SIZE=-1]ORD[/SIZE], for he hath triumphed gloriously: the horse and his rider hath he thrown into the sea.



    What exactly is the song of moses? I believe it is correct interpretation of the scriptures revealing what god is and what he really does. What about Noah? The last days are likened to the day of noah. The flood that GOD sent was a washing of the world through a flood of love light not the kind of flood that would actually harm life even though the wording may make you think that. The dove noah say as a sign was the holy spirit. What about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah? GOD destroyed the sin there by the power of holy light. The wife being said to have turned into a pillar of salt by looking at it is a good key. Salt in religious symbolism is spirit. So she became spirit when looking at the holy light. This is the one true god. He really doesnt harm anyone but rather does miracles to destroy sin but doesnt destroy the sinner. Jesus is a good example of what god does and what he doesnt do. What is your interpretation of holy bible actions and end time prophecy fulfillment?
     
  2. Thomas

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    Hi Donnann —
    I don' think you can extrapolate a few verses from the body of Scripture and say that reveals God in His essence.

    A more direct verse might be "God is love" – 1 John 4:8, but that doesn't bridge the gap in human understanding. To do that you'd have to explain:
    a) What 'God' means;
    b) What 'is' means, and;
    c) what 'love' means.

    People have very shallow and un-interrogated ideas about all three.

    So the rest of the Bible is there to fill in the gaps.

    I don't bother with the End Times.

    Our Lord said its not for us to know, so I assume the Holy Spirit, who inspires the text, is clever enough to keep mum about things He wants to keep mum about.

    There won't be any clue buried in the text. That would be the biggest disservice God could do to us.

    +++

    It seems to me, you don't have to be as wise as God to work out that letting people know when the End will occur is a very unwise move.

    If you're not living the End Times now, it's already too late.

    By which I mean, human nature tends to say, if it turns out to be tomorrow, it's too late to change, and if it turns out to be a hundred years' time, then I'll change tomorrow ... and tomorrow, and tomorrow ...

    So you end up looking not for when the Day is, but on what day you have to start living differently to survive the rigors of the End.

    This is the least acceptable way to God, because it's pure hypocrisy. A bit like living a dissolute life, banking on the hope that you can confess at the last minute. Which is hypocrisy, and Our Lord got very snippy with hypocrites.

    Because, in the end, if you know the day of the Second Coming, you choose it not because you want to, but because you must. You choose it out of fear, not love.

    If you truly love God, then you live in the hope that it's the next second, and that hope is balanced by the hope that everyone who ever lived gets the chance to welcome it with an open heart.

    Live by, through, in and with the love of God, and you're through the gate already. Live for tomorrow, and you've missed it.

    It's called living in the now.

    The end is there in every moment.
     
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    Your telling me what I choose? You do not know me well enough to make that assumption. Love is a mind as well as an emotion. Mind is spirit and emotion is the soul essence. We all love so if the soul essence came into the body you would recognize it because you have experienced it on the level of the body. I agree with you that everyone who loves god lives in hope that everyone who ever lived gets the chance to welcome it with an open heart. To me the end is not something to be feared because the prophecies are geared to save life. I am not speaking out of fear but out of love for what god is and what he really does. I live in the now but I also live for the future. I am doing my best to be the person that god knows I am.
     
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    Where did I say that?

     
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    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    By defination, a future event cannot be known to absolute certainty. The more detailed and different the event is, the more improbable. The less it ties to any rational or empirical system (a philosophy or science), the more unlikely.

    In general eschatologies reflect some unique hope of a religion. So they are all a little different. Except for Christian eschatologies which are mind-bogglingly diverse and conflicting and IMHO just preposterous (think of David Koresh or Charles Manson).
     
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    Why do you think that there are signs? The sign of the dove is the one sign that shows someone was sent from beyond and incarnated into the human egg. Its a white light that strikes like lightening but isnt harmful of course and then a process occurs which I wont get into currently. Charles Manson and David Koresh were insane. Charles Manson went around condemning people and getting his cult to kill those people. David Koresh , I was in Waco Texas when that event occurred, was abusing the cult he had established and was anti government. There is a difference between a cult and literal information that is theologically sound. The scriptures are clear. There are seal openings and bindings which are miracle events that occur to a body that is identified as coming from beyond. The angelic kingdom. It starts at conception when the heavenly being descends into the human egg and is sealed. The prehuman self is much bigger and consists of more light but that prehuman self is sealed within and without the self. This can get somewhat complex. I have been reading a web site a lady on here has Taioist. Its not much different so far than what I have been saying. So this is theologically sound. You can also find the same information in other religions as well , simply phrased differently because it comes from different languages.
     
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    I never stated that I did. I do believe in signs in the common way of thinking about them, as significators. Kind of a pointer. Like the cross or the ankh or the Magen David. Do I believe them as an indication as an indication of the end of days or some such thing? NO.

    I believe they were. I do not believe the scriptures (whatever you mean by that are). First, which scripture? Zoroastrian? Jewish? Christian? Muslim? Sikh? Bahai? Daoist? Buddhist? Hindu? And which of the many traditions within each? And which of the many translation within each?

    What defines "theological soundness"? Our opinion? Our background? I am sure I do not know.

    For me and those who think or believe live me, you need to break it down. We need to be fed like a baby, in small chunks. Or at least I do, you lose me so easily.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    As I see it the desciples thought Jesus meant they'd see it in their lifetime...

    And every generation since has had numerous groups, prophets, cults and organizatons that have made predictions....

    Just as in Hinduism, everyone thinks they'll be returning Brahman, or in Buddhism folks expect enlightenment in this lifetime, it is common for Christians to believe that the end is near and the second coming will occur during their lifetimes...

    But they have been batting zero in this regard for two thousand years....

    I say live as if....but don't concern yourself as to when....live the good and righteous life, love your neighbor, serve with a smile, but don't waste time with the unknowable....but that is just for me.
     
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    I do think that you should live as you say to love your neighbor ect. By knowledge though we progress.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    I totally agree that we progress thru knowledge.....but we should take care of what we absorb..
     
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    "...in Buddhism folks expect enlightenment in this lifetime..."

    --> Fortunately, not all forms of Buddhism teach that everyone can achieve enlightenment in this lifetime. Clearly, there are those Buddhists who believe we can, and there are those who believe that (most of us) cannot. This is one of the biggest differences among Buddhist groups, and has created a great deal of disharmony between different Buddhist groups over the centuries.
     
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    Do you believe everyone can achieve enlightenment in this lifetime?
     
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    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    donnann,

    I do... the Platform Sutra of Huineng explains the possibility of the "Quick School" for anyone ans everything.;)
     
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    so do I. I also believe in universal enlightenment.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    can??? or will??
     
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    Can or will what?
     

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