In pursuit of the mystical

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by Thomas, Jun 17, 2013.

  1. donnann

    donnann Well-Known Member

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    People on this forum are very intelligent. I dont think you are giving them enough credit. What answers can you provide to enlighten others on this forum? If you have any I for one am willing to listen. I cant speak for the others on this forum.
     
  2. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    if the aim is mystical experience then psychedelics are most direct route :)
     
  3. Thomas

    Thomas Administrator Admin

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    I know they're not.

    I'm not talking about miracles. Miracles and mystical experience are two quite separate things.

    As one operating well outside Catholic doctrine and belief, please don't lecture me on dogma!

    Of course He did. Wherever did you get that impression? Check your Scripture.
     
  4. Thomas

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    It would be more use to the dialogue if you actually chose to discuss the point I was making, the contemporary misreading of mediaeval texts — rather than make ill-informed, asumptive and somewhat offensive assumptions about my character.

    That's fine, but as I pointed out, your perspective is evidently dualistic, which will prevent you from correctly understanding the data of the Christian Revelation.

    Yes, they do seem quite typical of views and opinions shaped by the Romance Movement (from which sprang Theosophy, Anthroposophy, (pseudo-)Wicca, various European esoteric schools, Spiritualism, seances, etc., etc., the Sublime in art, the Gothic in literature... it was a revolt against the dehumanising aspects of the Industrial Revolution, and underpins much of New Age thinking.
     
  5. Thomas

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    Thank you! That's a classic example.

    People take psychedelics, and then come to see that there are different ways of perceiving the world. The error is in then assuming that psychedelics is the key to unlocking a higher order of experience.
     
  6. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    why is it an error ? and what is your experience of these psychedelics ?
     
  7. Thomas

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    Because it's not you, it's the drug.
     
  8. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    its you an the drug.

    psychedelics have been a part of spirituality throughout the history of mankind.

    even the Ark of the Covenant was made from hallucinogenic material, Acacia Wood.
     
  9. donnann

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    psychedelics can lead to imaginations. I do not see how they are a part of spirituality. The ark of the covenant was not made of hallucinogenic material. Where in the world did you get that from? Wood in symbolism represents the spirit , it doesn't represent hallucinogenics. Can you explain what you mean? The ark being the container represents the body. The inside represents spirit. It again is really all about the union of body soul and spirits that is love light. Its not about hallucinogens. We grow up watching movies ect and some of the movies are just a product of someones imagination. Those things are recorded in our brains. Hallucinogens may bring out those imaginations and are not reality. So I do not see how you can use them for spiritual growth.
     
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    The ark of the covenant has not been found yet. It contains within it tablets. Those tablets represent the kingdom of heaven, the place beyond as well as here.
     
  11. donnann

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    some combinations of things, basically wrong sequences, are harmful. Look at poison ivy. It gives you a rash. Originally that plant was not harmful. It has distsorted from its origin. If you took that plant and placed it in its right sequence it would go back to its original condtion. Hallucinigentics are in the wrong sequence. They are not good for you and do NOT aide in spiritual growth. Even if some of them are considered natural. So Thomas your right , it is the drug.
     
  12. Paladin

    Paladin Purchased Bewilderment

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    I've been told that it is being examined by "top men".









    sorry, i couldn't resist. :) :D
     
  13. donnann

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    lol lol :)
     
  14. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    psychedelics have played a part in human spirituality since the beginning and are still in use amongst shamanic cultures.

    the wood that it is made of Acacia is hallucinogenic and is related to Ayahuasca which is in use by shamanic cultures in south america.

     
  15. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Drugs can be used as a crutch, as door, as an awakening....

    Mystical does not need to be sought....simply observed...it is here if we open our eyes. Some take a guru to do this, others meditation, others halucinogens may do it (studies on psylocibin at John Hopkins have had numerous people go thru that door).

    Tis tough tho living in todays world....but even mystics have bills to pay.
     
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    radarmark Quaker-in-the-Making

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    I have been at both Native American Church and ayahuasa rituals (and not partaken because it is not my path), they can help. NAC has the highest alcoholic recovery rate of any treatment. And I choose not to judge ayahuasa shamans.
     
  17. A Cup Of Tea

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    I have no experience at all so it is beyond me why the experiences under the influence of psychedelics would be anything but mental glitches. Knowing what is what seems as likely as interpretations in astrology (which some of us put stock in and other not).
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Not my job to enlighten folks. I'm here for selfish reasons, but that doesn't negate the truth that some will see my words and recognize some of what I say, and perhaps it help them answer a few of their own questions. The answers that I might have that will help others can only be brought out by questions and conversation.
     
  20. BrotherMichaelSky

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    Yes, you may eject yourself from the body as surely as you can step out. If you need psychedelics to do it however, not the slightest bit will make the "correct" amount of sense to you. Psychedelics will ensure there are mis-communications and a lowering of vibration.

    To give an example - try watching tv with a tuner that wanders all over the dial.
     

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