Jesus and the bride

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  1. donnann

    donnann Well-Known Member

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    Jesus is the saviour , females are brides. The bible says so. Any comments on this?
     
  2. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea Well-Known Member

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    What are the other men?
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    they are to savor...
     
  4. elumin8

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    It's a metaphor. Don't break it.
     
  5. A Cup Of Tea

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    I don't understand the metaphor
     
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    I think it needs to be read in light of the culture in which it was written. Jesus is referred to as the Bridegroom and the Church is his Bride. It alludes to the intimacy of the relationship with its mystical union of two becoming as one. It also includes the cultural meme of the time that the husband is the 'head' of the wife, that is She submits to him, but in the Christian context at least, He also serves her.
     
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    So it was a metaphor that also, indirectly, confirmed the relationship between men and women?
     
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    I guess so. Each is a mirror of the other. At its best I think it's a positive metaphor. Of course, like all metaphors if you emphasize the wrong bits it can be made nasty.
     
  9. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    John.3.29 The one who has the bride is the bridegroom. The friend of the bridegroom, who stands and hears him, rejoices greatly at the bridegroom’s voice. Therefore this joy of mine is now complete.
    Rev.18.23 and the light of a lamp will shine in you no more, and the voice of bridegroom and bride will be heard in you no more, for your merchants were the great ones of the earth, and all nations were deceived by your sorcery.
    Rev.19.7 Let us rejoice and exult and give him the glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and his Bride has made herself ready;
    Rev.21.2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
    Rev.21.9 Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.”
    Rev.22.17 The Spirit and the Bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who desires take the water of life without price.

    I'd at least like to know which 'bride' reference we are referring for discussion....
     
  10. Thomas

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    elumin8 is right (hi, elumin8) —

    The groom is God, the bride is man, the metaphor is one of divine union, and is used this way throughout.

    The interesting element is that it elevates the eros notion, that largely shapes the way to Ancient World saw this a union, as one of the 'bride' being 'possessed' by the divine — to the point where 'sacred prostitution' was a practice in some temples.

    In reading the metaphor in its context, Our Lord speaks of a union in terms of agape, rather than eros, elevating the whole concept by a considerable degree.

    Apocalypse 18 is an excoriating condemnation of the human condition. We are Babylon, enamoured of ourselves, delighting in the superficial, reducing every gift to its mere mercantile trading value, something to be used for one's own pleasure regardless of consequence. Babylon is the whore of the world, a metaphor of the supreme vice, pride.

    Agape was, prior to its inclusion in the Christian lexicon, a relatively unused term in the Ancient World. Agapan means "greet with affection, love", inferring philosophical altruism or metaphysical selflessness, whereas the more common eros Inferred the carnal or the sensual.
     
  11. donnann

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    You mean human . Because that is what that means. The brides are always opposites. Each of us has one true opposite. However they use it metaphorically to represent something factual. The Union of body soul and spirits is how it is metaphorically used.
     
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    Where does he mean 'human'? Could you expand this idea a little more.
     
  13. donnann

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    Well I believe in universal progression. The book refers to human beings. However there is life on other planets with scriptures as well and I believe they are related to human progression as well. Trying to do better and things that are healthy. Sometimes progress goes slow but it should move in the direction of life.
     
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    I am still unsure how this relates to the metaphor of the Bridegroom and the Bride.
     
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    In addition to what Mr. T. said, the premise of marriage is that women were cursed to be subservient to men (Gen 3:16), but this curse was lifted through Abraham's blessing (referred to as 'The Promise' in Galatians 4 of the NT). I Cor 11:12 "For as woman came from man, so also man is born of woman. But everything comes from God." This is the "union in terms of agape, rather than eros," that Thomas mentions, to which I add that 'Eros' enslaves and 'Agape' frees the woman. Therein a real union is formed.
     
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    Yes. However each of us has only one perfect match. Others may be parts of that person but may not be the actual person. Like soul mates. There are 5th element codes that is the place of oneness we all come from. Those codes are unbreakable and unchangeable and each pair has opposite codes. When these codes come in line with the bodies and your own code match you have infinite life. Picture the creator as a sequence of codes that never dies and always existed. We all come from those codes. They determine you size , your kind ect. Its your own highest place.
     
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    You repeatedly say that donnann. Did you ever see the 5th Element movie? There was this one supremely perfect girl in that story who was entirely perfect genetically and only lacked someone to love her.
     
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    Dont all women and men just want that one perfect someone? And in the movie the girl has dna but its more tightly packed, I would say she had O blood.
     
  19. A Cup Of Tea

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    I don't long for someone perfect, I didn't even long for anyone at all until I met my first and present someone. She's hardly perfect, unlike me, but we enjoy life together and make our relationship work. We don't expect to be together until we die, the moment is enough.
     
  20. donnann

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    Well then your unusual. Look at dating services ect. They even advertise to get your perfect mate. If you live in the moment then thats fine for your life but the majority of people I have known are all looking for that someone that makes them feel like they are complete and happy. Since this is a religious thread I will quote " It is not good for man to be alone".
     

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