Must We Confess Our Sin Dailly ?

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  1. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    "In Christianity and Islam it is an eternity in hell."

    ...which is why I am not a Christian or Muslim. But the original Bible did not teach of an eternal hell, so the original Bible was correct.
     
  2. Thomas

    Thomas Administrator Admin

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    Actually that's a common misunderstanding (albeit for understandable reasons), but one that I think is quite wrong. It's too simplistic (although there are many, I know, who would like to reduce everything to me-right::you-wrong).

    I would say that eternal damnation is a choice open to us, rather than a judgement cast upon us.

    The Catechism teaches:
    A dogmatic theologian offered:
    The list of commentaries to refute the implications of your notion are many. Notably Julian of Norwich, who had such a profound impact on T.S. Eliot that he recorded her words in the last of his Four Quartets, Little Gidding:
    "Whatever we inherit from the fortunate
    We have taken from the defeated
    What they had to leave us—a symbol:
    A symbol perfected in death.
    And all shall be well and
    All manner of thing shall be well
    By the purification of the motive
    In the ground of our beseeching."

    So I would ask again that people please be not so quick as to jump to judgements or pronouncing their own notions as to what is or is not dogma.

    St Paul said "For I am sure that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor might, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord" (Romans 8:38-39).
    One might note that the verb translated as 'I am sure' is in the Greek, pepeismai, which might also be translated as 'I am persuaded'.

    Lastly I would just reiterate that perhaps the only thing that can separate us from the love of God is ourselves. We are free, even at the last, to deny Him if we so choose.

    Which original Bible is that?
     
  3. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    Lord's prayer

    Dear Gen,
    In the first place, one who is "born again" does not sin daily(1 John 3:6) As for how one is to pray, you might look at Mt 6:8-14. whereas your sins are forgiving as you have forgiven those who sinned against you.
     
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    Dear Aup,
    I can see how you believe that the supposed "God" of "Christianity" saves the unworthy.(Romans 5:18) The problem with your supposition is that the "Christianity" that believes the false gospel of Paul, and his gospel of Grace, is not related to those who choose to actually follow the testimony of Yeshua, which is the "kingdom of God" which in a few words, is "to do unto others as you would have them do to you", and of course, "as you do to others, so shall be done to you". Somewhat like the Eastern version of Karma. Paul, on the other hand, freely admits to his evil deeds, and blames it on the evil within him. (Romans 7:16-18) My suggestion would be to not believe everything that people call holy. (Proverbs 20:25)
     
  5. donnann

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    do unto others as they do to you only refers to the good they do. Its like pay it forward. I do not like the gross interpretation of god. god is NOT the devil. Saying that quote means that you should give someone back evil for doing evil to you is from the devil not god.
     
  6. 2ndpillar

    2ndpillar Well-Known Member

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    Dear Donna,
    You need to slow down and smell the roses. My quote was to do unto others as you would have them do to you, which is not the same as your quote, which is "do unto others as they do to you". My quote is the summation of the commandments. Your quote is more in line of that of a daughter of the mafia. My second quote is "as you do to others, shall be done to you", which is the justice of God, provided by God, as is reaffirmed in Rev 20:13, in that God will judge according to a persons deeds. (Ps 62:12) Of course this negates Paul's gospel of grace, but then again, I don't heed self professed apostles and prophets of God, whether they be Pharisees of Pharisees, or Pontiffs of the church of Paul.
     
  7. donnann

    donnann Well-Known Member

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    It has nothing to do with being pontiffs or apostles but simply common sense. Since god is love and all good things come from love to include forgiveness, kindness, compassion it tells you that you do unto others as they do unto you refers to these good things. In the gospel is also turn the other cheek.
     
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    ventura23 Interfaith Forums

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    Most confess with their mouths, but their hearts are far from them.
    God will purify us when we are honest with ourselves.
    Pain is a good place to start.
     
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    ventura23 Interfaith Forums

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    Do you have all those qualities? Talk is cheap.
     
  10. donnann

    donnann Well-Known Member

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    We all have those qualities :)
     
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    ventura23 Interfaith Forums

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    Sounds mechanical to me, like robotism.
     
  12. Thomas

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    Or a good habit? Like tidying one's house?
     
  13. ventura23

    ventura23 Interfaith Forums

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    Big difference, one takes tears, hungering and thirsting and one takes intellectual knowledge about what it takes to clean our spiritual houses.

    It is a pity some lack spiritual knowledge and only have religion that Christ came to do away with.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Oh yes....such a pity.
     
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    In this world the only thing we can do is recognize our mistakes and try our best not to repeat them and if we fail try try again. I think the most important thing to do is acts of kindness towards others. Even the smallest gesture is huge in gods eyes.
     
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    ventura23 Interfaith Forums

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    There are people who are cold and indifferent, I am going through something like that and it hurts, but I am working on that within myself,
    I don't think it pays to try and make friends with the enemy, but are they an enemy only to themselves? As long as we react to their cruelty are we any better, Trying to be-friend them I is useless, We have to overcome our reactions, that is the answer.

    Louise
     

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