As a post-script, I suppose my view is this: As a Catholic on this forum, the many permutations of Christianity I see are all variations on a theme: the 'rationalisation' of the message to sit comfortably within a contemporary cultural context. As part of that process, the 'miraculous' and the 'supernatural' are either dismissed altogether, or re-defined to fit within a subjective idea of 'the spiritual' (which is actually 'the sentimental'), and altogether a great deal of speculation is undergone, most of it resting on spurious subjective criteria. My question is: Why bother? If you don't believe in the Christ of Scripture and Tradition (the Tradition that produced the Scripture), then simply find something else to believe in, because there's no other Christ to be found, other than in the imagination. Be a humanist. Be agnostic or atheist. Be Jewish or Moslem, or Buddhist or whatever ... but above all, be honest to yourself, and if you can't bring yourself to believe, then find something you can believe in. But don't settle for a saccharine, sanitised version that massages your comfort zones. Bye all.