Sudanese judge orders death for an alleged apostate!

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  1. Amica

    Amica Member

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    :( This is really horrible! Supposedly, the sudanese government is following the "Sharia" ruling on apostasy. What "Sharia" they follow I do not know, but it is becoming clearer that some Muslims would choose hadiths over the Qur'an! If Allah SWT ordered the Prophet pbuh to deliver the message, not force others to believe, then don't you think that Prophet pbuh would follow that? The Noble Qur'an recognizes the right of others to choose their belief and even states that Allah SWT willed humanity to be diverse in many ways, including belief:

    [FONT=Arial, Times New Roman, Palatino, Times] "O humankind We [God] have created you male and female, and made you into communities and tribes, so that you may know one another. Surely the noblest amongst you in the sight of God is the most godfearing of you. God is All-knowing and All-Aware" (Quran 49:13)
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    [FONT=Arial, Times New Roman, Palatino, Times]"And argue not with the People of the Book unless it be in a way that is better, save with such of them as do wrong; and say we believe in that which has been revealed to us and to you; and our God and your God is one and unto Him we submit" (Quran 29:46)[/FONT]

    [FONT=Arial, Times New Roman, Palatino, Times]"Some of the People of the Book are a nation upstanding: they recite the Signs of God all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in God and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong and they hasten to do good works. They are in the ranks of the righteous." (Quran 3:113-114)
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    “Whoever chooses to follow the right path follows it but for his own good; and whoever goes astray goes but astray to his own hurt” (Q 17:15)

    "there shall be no coercion in matters of faith” (Q 2:256)

    “Your task is only to exhort; you cannot compel them [to believe]” (Q 88:21)

    “pay heed, then, unto God and pay heed unto the Apostle; and if you turn away, [know that] Our Apostle’s only duty is a clear delivery of this message” (Q 64:12)

    I pray that this young woman and her child do not get killed!

    Christian woman could face death for her faith in Sudan - CNN.com
     
  2. Amica

    Amica Member

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    I am seriously beginning to believe that the fallacy of many Muslims' beliefs stems from hadith forgeries that entice violence, encourage human rights abuses and other despicable crimes. Why? Well, almost all of these so-called "true" hadiths contradict the Qur'an! Since Allah SWT states that He cannot contradict Himself--and I believe this with all my heart and soul, then the only reasonable and sound conclusion is that the human error in the hadiths results in such backward Muslim actions and beliefs. Of course, some Muslims would probably threaten to kill me, and maybe even try to do so, for saying that hadiths can be wrong!

    Recently, I read a quote (I think it is a hadith, yes) that states something like this: Muslims got an elevated status in front of God with Islam. Every time they look for anything other than that, they will face calamity.

    And guess what? It's becoming a reality: Muslims have been stricken with wars, poverty, dictatorships, lack of personal freedoms, etc., because they have invented lies in hadiths and they believe them, and because they do not follow Islam as revealed.
     
  3. Quirkybird

    Quirkybird Granny to five

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    How terrible!:eek: However I bet there are some extreme Christians who would like to bring in the in the death penalty for so called blasphemy!
     
  4. Namaste Jesus

    Namaste Jesus Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai Staff Member

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    Similar thread, created yesterday in the politics category dealing with the same story.
     
  5. NiceCupOfTea

    NiceCupOfTea Pathetic earthlings

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    wow you must really hate Christians
     
  6. Dikaios

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    I thought Christians are against the death penalty.
     
  7. Muslimwoman

    Muslimwoman Coexistence insha'Allah

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    Salam Amica.

    Utterly dreadful case, which leaves one speechless.

    Sudan has a very corrupt regime and they often do bonkers things to keep the extremists, taught by the Wahabbi's, quiet. Remember the teddy bear case, that was Sudan too. There have been a number of death sentences handed down since they introduced this law but thus far nobody has been killed. Hopefully she will not be the first.

    Corruption is the key here. Her lawyer says he can prove her mother died in 2012 but the court has taken testimony from a woman claiming to be her mother and two men claiming to be her brothers. She owns a business ... do the math. They see someone living as a Christian but with a Muslim name and hey presto.

    Of course hadith can be wrong. There are various classifications for hadith and they include weak and fabricated classifications.

    This is a good read and discusses each hadith which is used to say the punishment is death

    Is Apostasy a Capital Crime in Islam? | Fiqh Council Of North America

    I think we just have to accept that some Muslims want to take the hardest line possible and will always find evidence, no matter how weak, to support their desires.
     
  8. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea An ordinary cup of tea

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    There, I fixed what you wrote for you.
     
  9. Gordian Knot

    Gordian Knot Being Deviant IS My Art.

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    Where on earth did you get that idea from?!? Christians, overall, are all for the death penalty. They are just, again overall, against abortion.
     
  10. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea An ordinary cup of tea

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    Easy now, you're speaking of very specific (American) groups of Christians. There isn't any 'overall' in an overall sort of way.
     
  11. Muslimwoman

    Muslimwoman Coexistence insha'Allah

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    Thank you. Bless you, you're a sweetheart :)
     
  12. Amica

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    Salam/Peace-

    Sister Muslimwoman--thank you for your reply and the link. I agree with all you said.

    Quirkybird--yes, there are some Christians (like Muslims and others) who are for the death penalty. And you know, some people deserve it I think: mass murderers, serial killers, serial rapists, etc. I think some people are just so evil and to not punish them like that would be a crime in itself. Why waste government resources, money, etc. on someone who has done more harm to the society than one can imagine?
     
  13. Amica

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    I just read the news that this woman will not be punished by death! Very happy for her and her family. Who says international pressure without guns or such is powerless?! :)
     
  14. Muslimwoman

    Muslimwoman Coexistence insha'Allah

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    And sadly she was arrested again trying to leave the country :(

    wa alaikum salam Amica. I'm not sure international pressure had very much to do with it. Since introducing the death penalty for apostacy they haven't killed anyone despite numerous sentences and the international community never heard of those cases. I beleive it's more to do with a government who has little stomach for this law but needs (for tribal reasons) to keep the fanatics quiet. Just my opinion and may be totally wrong ;)
     

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