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Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by Marcialou, Jun 4, 2014.

  1. madera

    madera New Member

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    Can you explain what you mean by intellectual deductions if you see scripture as the inerrant word of God?
    sounds like a contradiction.
     
  2. madera

    madera New Member

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    Self reflecting is between man and God, not a group thing.
    makes no sense.
     
  3. Frrostedman

    Frrostedman Keepin' it cool

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    The intellectual deduction part of my beliefs is more about doctrine than anything. My faith is not an intellectual deduction.

    Did you click on the words "Observer Effect" in my last post? Just curious what you thought about it.
     
  4. Marcialou

    Marcialou We are stardust

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    Madera wrote in #59:
    ...how does the group "self reflect".?
    ...interesting.


    Madera wrote in #61:
    ...Self reflecting is between man and God, not a group thing.
    ...makes no sense.


    As a group, we recite a "prayer," of sorts, that allows each of us, individually, to reflect upon our past year and commit ourselves to trying to make the next year better. Because we are a secular group, most of us are not making a commitment to God but to ourselves.

    I don’t have the exact words of our recitation but it is something like this:

    ---Are we patient with our children or are we quick to snap at them?
    ---Do we take pleasure in the small things of life or are we overly attached to our material possessions?
    ---Do we walk lightly on the earth or do we squander the earth’s resources?

    I hope this answers your questions. Feel free to ask for clarifications.
     
  5. Jayhawker Soule

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    One of the important distinctions between Judaism and Christianity is precisely that Judaism is a group covenant.
     
  6. Frrostedman

    Frrostedman Keepin' it cool

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    Ha. I thought for sure your statement would end, " ... is precisely that Judaism is superior."

    ;)
     
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    … not after tasting the wine.
     
  8. LincolnSpector

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    Marcia Lou: You may want to look up the works of Mordecai Kaplan, the co-founder of Reconstructionist Judaism.

    Basically, he rejected the concept of a personal, supernatural God. He saw God as a cultural concept. It's hard to explain. Wikipedia does a decent if brief job: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordecai_Kaplan#Kaplan.27s_theology.
     
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  10. Marcialou

    Marcialou We are stardust

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    Lincoln,

    I'm a somewhat familiar with Reconstructionist Judaism through the writings of Rabbi Harold Kushner, a student of Mordecai Kaplan. He's the author of "When Bad Things Happen to Good People," and other books.

    I see the second link use posted describes Kaplan's thoughts about God like this:

    To me, the power which makes it possible to feel that life is worthwhile, even when we're suffering greatly, is a function of our evolutionarily constructed brain. Since Kaplan described God as synonymous with nature, and evolution is a function of nature, I guess we're basically in agreement on these points.

    However, I still prefer not to label the functions of nature, God.
     
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    Jayhawker Soule New Member

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    I think some people just don't feel the need for it. My father didn't.
     
  13. Quirkybird

    Quirkybird Granny to five

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    Having lost my faith by the time I was 20, I have never felt a need to try to rekindle it. I don't have a longing for the spiritual.
     
  14. voiceofwood

    voiceofwood Interfaith Forums

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    Which makes it rather interesting why you would join a faith forum?
     
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    I guess it's simple curiosity on my part, there are a great many things I wish to experience before I die.

    Thank you for sharing about your father here and on your thread, it's appreciated.
     
  16. Frrostedman

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    * wrong thread *
     
  17. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    As I age... I find I tear up...with joy....with reverence....with bliss....at the smallest of things.
     
  18. Quirkybird

    Quirkybird Granny to five

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    I very rarely cry, and if I do it is tears of anger, no other emotion.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    I don't even know what tears of anger are.
     
  20. Quirkybird

    Quirkybird Granny to five

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    Don't you get angry?
     

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