"Oneness" and Satan

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So, I'm trying to find a way to bring all religions together into "oneness," a form of mysticism, I believe, and I'm having trouble doing this because of the Christian Devil. I believe in angels, especially of the Catholic kind, and saints so I would like to find a way to reconcile Catholicism with the belief that I have achieved the opening of the seventh chakra and achieved divine consciousness. I believe in energy and Tarot Cards and crystals but also angels and am trying to find a way to believe in God and Satan while maintaining the "divine oneness" found in opening the seventh chakra.

So...has anyone else been able to this?

If we are all "one" are we also all Satan and demons and fire and Hell...is it all part of the "oneness?" I can comprehend being God but being Satan? Is this a bit like the Shadow (Jungian concept) that we reject because of its darkness? Would embracing and the existence of it/Him mean embracing the darker side of consciousness, the darkner side and destruction of the universe, in order to maintain balance?

I guess we can't just be good but have to have evil, too, to maintain natural balance and this concept can easily be found in nature, I believe.

Anyway, I think I've answered my own question...sort of...but I'd like to know what other people think...

And please, please don't tell me these things don't exist and give me logical/illogical fallacies and whatnot because I used to be one of you: spent my time telling others how ill-informed they were/are, before I had a mystical experience and discovered the reality of religious experience...thank you. :rolleyes:

Violet
 

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Is a souffle good? An omelette? What about from the view of the chicken?

darkness/evil is perceived because we are human and it is done to us...

Whereby eating meat for many is not considered evil...although the animals may feel differently...

As might the 'live culture' in yogurt when we are eating their cousins...as might the forest when we are building houses or burning their brethren in our fireplaces....

Where as rape and murder of humans doesn't matter much to dolphins...and whales may think it a good thing.
 

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"As might the 'live culture' in yogurt when we are eating their cousins...as might the forest when we are building houses or burning their brethren in our fireplaces....

Where as rape and murder of humans doesn't matter much to dolphins...and whales may think it a good thing."

Oddly enough I became scared to eat because plants might feel it...is THIS why some Indian Mystics are known to go without eating? I'm just wondering why some Mystics stop eating and maybe this is why...I don't know really...

And I think rape and murder matter of humans matter very much to dolphins and whales probably see it as part of the cycle of life because I believe that when we "die" we don't really "die" but become consciousness...just another part of the cycle of the universe...some animals are known to eat humans, like tigers and lions (every now and then, anyway) but I see it as part of the cycle of the universe because then they are reincarnated as something else anyway, right?
 

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The Baha'i view is that "Satan" or the Devil is the one who causes division and discord...

However, the widespread differences that exist among mankind and the prevalence of sedition, contention, conflict and the like are the primary factors which provoke the appearance of the satanic spirit. Yet the Holy Spirit hath ever shunned such matters. A world in which naught can be perceived save strife, quarrels and corruption is bound to become the seat of the throne, the very metropolis, of Satan.

~ Baha'u'llah Tablets of Bahá’u’lláh Revealed After the Kitáb-i-Aqdas p. 177
 

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So, I'm trying to find a way to bring all religions together into "oneness" ...
I would suggest then, you're looking for a universal metaphysic. The best place to start is with the works of René Guénon and Frithjof Schuon, and perhaps the latter's The Transcendent Unity of Religions.

... a form of mysticism, I believe, and I'm having trouble doing this because of the Christian Devil.
Well, he is a troublesome critter!

... so I would like to find a way to reconcile Catholicism with the belief that I have achieved the opening of the seventh chakra and achieved divine consciousness.
Ah, I think therein lies a problem. The 'divine consciousness' that Catholicism speaks of (as indeed does the ancient Christian traditions) is not the same order of consciousness that the chakras signify.

If you're talking about chakras, then you're talking about the human potential to attain enlightenment, which is the perfection of human nature, to be in harmony – at one – with all nature.

If you're talking about 'divine consciousness' in the Catholic sense, then you're talking about something that transcends human nature, and transcends all nature.
 

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If you're talking about chakras, then you're talking about the human potential to attain enlightenment, which is the perfection of human nature, to be in harmony – at one – with all nature.

What you say is true. There is more though. Receiving higher spiritual knowledge is also associated with opening the crown chakra in many traditions, no?
 

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The Christian Devil is a misnomer, a falsehood. It does not exist, it NEVER existed. The "fallen" angel Lucifer however is a real idea and concept found in majority of world religions. Lucifer is called fallen because he fell into existence, matter. Not because he disobeyed god. That part is the story, the hearsay. Lucifer exists in the invisible, astral as well as he can manifest as any body in matter. Our existence is finite, perishable, is a part of a dream, the illusion of Maya. Infinity = God, our spirits are infinite beings. The dark forces, out of ignorance or out of temporary thirst of power, follow the Ego, which in turn would knowingly or unknowingly bid the purpose of Lucifer. But Lucifer has already lost. One time or a couple he almost managed to cause the destruction of Earth which would prolong his existence, but he failed so far. He will try it again. Our spirits can reincarnate on other stars or planets but that would be a major setback. If you are any serious student of history you can clearly see the gargantuan battle of Dark and the Light throughout history of men.
Lucifer's spirit has karmic fate awaiting for trying to hijack Earth's spiritual evolution to his own means. He will not be part of Oneness for quite sometime, but eventually he can also rejoin.

So, I'm trying to find a way to bring all religions together into "oneness," a form of mysticism, I believe, and I'm having trouble doing this because of the Christian Devil. I believe in angels, especially of the Catholic kind, and saints so I would like to find a way to reconcile Catholicism with the belief that I have achieved the opening of the seventh chakra and achieved divine consciousness. I believe in energy and Tarot Cards and crystals but also angels and am trying to find a way to believe in God and Satan while maintaining the "divine oneness" found in opening the seventh chakra.

So...has anyone else been able to this?

If we are all "one" are we also all Satan and demons and fire and Hell...is it all part of the "oneness?" I can comprehend being God but being Satan? Is this a bit like the Shadow (Jungian concept) that we reject because of its darkness? Would embracing and the existence of it/Him mean embracing the darker side of consciousness, the darkner side and destruction of the universe, in order to maintain balance?

I guess we can't just be good but have to have evil, too, to maintain natural balance and this concept can easily be found in nature, I believe.

Anyway, I think I've answered my own question...sort of...but I'd like to know what other people think...

And please, please don't tell me these things don't exist and give me logical/illogical fallacies and whatnot because I used to be one of you: spent my time telling others how ill-informed they were/are, before I had a mystical experience and discovered the reality of religious experience...thank you. :rolleyes:

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I just want to add this;

Oneness exist only in your higher-self - in our septenary existence, normally only the lower planes manifest for you and the higher planes are being blocked out by your ego and vibratory rate. Nevertheless you exist in these planes as well, despite you being oblivious to this.

Opening your centers before you ascend your ego and purify your thoughts and being is futile and can be extremely dangerous. Your efforts will fail and if you force them somehow you will suffer grave consequences. Your centers open by themselves as you progress spiritually. It is not you who decides when and wanting to open them haphazardly is counterproductive.
 

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Receiving higher spiritual knowledge is also associated with opening the crown chakra in many traditions, no?
Only in some Hindu and Buddhists schools. And then the number of chakras varies, even from teacher to teacher.

I see the chakras as a visual aid, essentially a construct for teaching and visualisation purposes. It's not part of the Abrahamic Tradition.

In Christianity the opening is of the heart, not the head. Metanoia. The Abrahamics are all about being, rather than knowing.

In the West we have ain soth of the kabbala – another construct.
 

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Thomas said
"Only in some Hindu and Buddhists schools. And then the number of chakras varies, even from teacher to teacher.

I see the chakras as a visual aid, essentially a construct for teaching and visualisation purposes. It's not part of the Abrahamic Tradition.

In Christianity the opening is of the heart, not the head. Metanoia. The Abrahamics are all about being, rather than knowing.
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The OP did ask about Satan, so I understand the desire to answer her in the theology of Abrahamic Traditions. That is not the only way to answer though, and the OP makes it clear that her quest to enlightenment throws a far wider net than any one religious orthodoxy.

Opening the chakras is not part of the Abrahamic Tradition. True. No disagreement there.

The opening of the heart, however, is hardly restricted to Abrahamic traditions. It is also one of the chakras to be opened, as I'm sure you know. Seeing the chakras as a visual aid is fine if that is how you choose to see it. That is not how most who practice chakra opening view it or define it. It is far, far more than that. A powerful spiritual tradition of its own.

I agree that religious and spiritual enlightenment is about being. Knowing is also part of the equation though. Knowing is one of the trails on the path to being. There are many other trails as well.
 

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The Seven Sacraments: How They Relate to our Chakras and Higher Consciousness

New Age Chakras & the Seven Sacraments | Catholic Chapter House Blog

Rooted in Hindu and Buddhist metaphysics, the seven chakras are considered traditional energy centers of the astral body, a subtle energy plane that coexists with the physical body.

The connection to Nutrition is that these chakras and energy centers are thought to explain illness while pointing us in the direction of healing.

This is not our belief as Catholics. And the fact that the author links chakras to the Seven Sacraments is a grave misunderstanding of Truth. But, isnʼt that what the Devil does best? He takes Truth and shifts it just a bit, so itʼs unsuspecting victims easily fall prey.
There is that damned devil at work again...
 

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True. But as soon as you talk about chakras, limiting your conversation to catholic school of though is impossible. Esoteric Christianity/Gnosticism is perhaps more appropriate and there is some correlation in Buddhism and Gnostic though. I have just answered with what I hold true, and of course your mileage may vary....
Strictly speaking though, Hermes, this isn't Catholic theology.
 

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True. But as soon as you talk about chakras, limiting your conversation to catholic school of though is impossible. Esoteric Christianity/Gnosticism is perhaps more appropriate and there is some correlation in Buddhism and Gnostic though. I have just answered with what I hold true, and of course your mileage may vary....

I think there are similarities abound when it comes to human practices, but we humans are so eager to see patterns that we sometimes shape our understanding after what we expects. I always try to understand a tradition from the it's own foundation and I think there is enough there to go around. I won't say your wrong though, I don't know enough for that, but I expect a Catholic theologian to dispute you. Enter Thomas...
 
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