Were it not for Death, do you think Religion and Faith would even Exist?

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  1. Shibolet

    Shibolet Well-Known Member

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    I beg to disagree that death is a test of faith because it comes to all whether he or she is a person of faith or not. Death is only the natural third part of the cycle of birth, life and death.
     
  2. BigJoeNobody

    BigJoeNobody Professional Argument Attractor

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    And I would contend that Death is not the test, but rather the end of the test. It is the defining point to which noone can earn credits beyond.
     
  3. Shibolet

    Shibolet Well-Known Member

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    I have no other option but to agree with you. That's how we see death.
     
  4. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    There are people smarter than the others. They try to dominate. If it was not death, it would have been some other point on which they would have shown their superiority, and would have dominated.
     
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  5. Shibolet

    Shibolet Well-Known Member

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    That's how the Nazis dominated for a few years. They thought to be superior and the only great ones on earth. Their assumption was disproved in a very painful way never to rise again.
     
  6. Devils' Advocate

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    Never say never Shib. Horrific concepts seem to come back around all too often. All it takes is for the right set of circumstances to come together to launch a new horror on the world.
     
  7. arthra

    arthra Baha'i

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    Well to me death is a release from this life ... When you're born you have no further use for an umbilical cord... Death is a graduation ... Death is a transition ...birth is a transition from fetus to infant.
     
  8. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    I think it is our belief death is a transition to something else...it is our wish death is a transition to something else.....none of us knows bupkis.

    We've been told by others, we've been pointed to scripture/writings that this is the case....we've been told by people...who believe, who wish but don't know.

    Of those who have second hand evidence (they talk to the dead, or G!d, or Jesus) we don't often believe them, we more often believe others who are long gone that others believed talked to the dead, or G!d or Jesus...
     
  9. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    It is an absolutely simple thing. We make it complicated. After death (in grave or in cremation), the body disintegrates and the molecules that make it up go to other living and non-living things.
     
  10. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    yuppers...


    Reincarnation

    "What does Reincarnation mean?"
    A cowpoke asked his friend.
    His pal replied, "It happens when
    Yer life has reached its end.
    They comb yer hair, and warsh yer neck,
    And clean yer fingernails,
    And lay you in a padded box
    Away from life's travails."

    "The box and you goes in a hole,
    That's been dug into the ground.
    Reincarnation starts in when
    Yore planted 'neath a mound.
    Them clods melt down, just like yer box,
    And you who is inside.
    And then yore just beginnin' on
    Yer transformation ride."

    "In a while, the grass'll grow
    Upon yer rendered mound.
    Till some day on yer moldered grave
    A lonely flower is found.
    And say a hoss should wander by
    And graze upon this flower
    That once wuz you, but now's become
    Yer vegetative bower."

    "The posy that the hoss done ate
    Up, with his other feed,
    Makes bone, and fat, and muscle
    Essential to the steed,
    But some is left that he can't use
    And so it passes through,
    And finally lays upon the ground
    This thing, that once wuz you."

    "Then say, by chance, I wanders by
    And sees this upon the ground,
    And I ponders, and I wonders at,
    This object that I found.
    I thinks of reincarnation,
    Of life and death, and such,
    And come away concludin': 'Slim,
    You ain't changed, all that much.'"

    Wallace McRae
     
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  11. Namaste Jesus

    Namaste Jesus Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai Moderator

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    I agree. This is what happens to the physical body. It breaks down and becomes part of the earth from which it came.
     
  12. Thomas

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    Or my favourite – an old Yorkshire folk song. (Ilkley Moor is not the place to be caught without a hat in bad weather!)

    Wheear 'ast tha bin sin' ah saw thee, ah saw thee?
    On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at
    Wheear 'ast tha bin sin' ah saw thee, ah saw thee?
    Wheear 'ast tha bin sin' ah saw thee?
    chorus (short n sharp first 2 lines, long and slow on the 3rd):
    On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at
    On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at
    On Ilkla Mooar baht 'at
    Tha's been a cooartin' Mary Jane
    Tha's bahn' to catch thy deeath o' cowd
    Then us'll ha' to bury thee
    Then t'worms'll come an' eyt thee up
    Then t'ducks'll come an' eyt up t'worms
    Then us'll go an' eyt up t'ducks
    Then us'll all ha' etten thee
    That's wheear we get us ooan back
    I've omitted the repeats of each line, and the chorus, but when done properly, this goes on for ages!
     
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  13. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    That was very nice, Wil. The grave and the hoss. Thanks to Wallace. The folk song also is beautiful, Thomas. Dem old folk knows truth (I am sure the Yorkshire folk would have said that differently).
    Nmaste Jesus, fantasizing about the incorporeal body!
     
  14. Devils' Advocate

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    Yes, the physical part is simple. It's the (potential) other part that is not so much.
     
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  15. Namaste Jesus

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    That's one way to look at it. Works for me either way though.
     
  16. Shibolet

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    HaShem has prepared Israel for any eventuality. At the time of Hitler we didn't have the Israel of today.
     
  17. Shibolet

    Shibolet Well-Known Member

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    You are right. Death is a transition from life to the grave wherefrom none will ever return. (Isa. 26:14; II Sam. 12:23; Job 10:21)
     
  18. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Isn't it actually due to Hitler we have the Israel of today....
     
  19. Shibolet

    Shibolet Well-Known Member

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    That death is a transition from life to the grave wherefrom none will ever return, I have not only the Scriptural evidence in Isa. 26:14; II Sam. 12:23 and Job 10:21 but also real evidence eyewitnessed by all of us. Have you ever seen one who has returned from death? That's real evidence.
     
  20. Shibolet

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    That's right, I mean, if you have the worms in mind. That's how the body disintegrates.
     

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