At Joe's request. Please guys, let's at least make a sincere effort. I can see many things that apply to *all* of us, not just Joe...things like what *precisely* we mean when we write something like "truth," about rhetoric vs logic, and about logical fallacies, and jumps to conclusion. This can be a worthwhile exercise for everyone, and I can plainly see most of us are out of shape when it comes to making rational and logically reasoned, scholarly statements. I will begin with this one premise...no matter how we believe, or even if we don't believe, it is recognized by the sages and the rationalists across the last couple thousand years, that as we stand at this moment...there is no proof G!d exists. Now...I want to be VERY clear...I am not stating unequivocally that G!d in fact does not exist. No one can, and that's the point. We don't know...from a scholarly, rational, reasoned, and logical point of view, we have no way to tell if G!d exists or doesn't. So it doesn't matter if you personally believe, or don't, that He exists. Personally, I have plenty of experiences in my life that suggest G!d in some form does in fact exist, but I have learned over the years that I have no way to logically present that information. I can rhetorically pull on your heart strings with moving stories, but I cannot PROVE He exists. I would say in an Interfaith discussion, that is probably the fundamental starting position...acceptance that G!d can neither be proven nor disproven. I will pause for comment, but I hope in the near future to present a list of logical fallacies as well as a few working definitions of words like "truth." The hope is to maybe get some of us on a same or at least substantially similar page for some sincere discussion.