Explanation of paradigm differences

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  1. Thomas

    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    Divine Union of the created with the Uncreated.
     
  2. Thomas

    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    The Tradition. What evidence have you for yours?
     
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    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    That links just brings up Google for me ... ?
     
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    Yes, 'the tradition' didn't answer the question for me either. How does 'the tradition' provide the evidence you speak of?
     
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    Scripture, the Councils, the Fathers, the Scholars, the Magisterium, the saints and sages, theologies, homilies, conversations ... contemplation and prayer ...
     
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    For you, does it take all of it? Most would never go that far eh?
     
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    Thomas Super Moderator Staff Member

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    LOL. No.

    No. It's my way of it, is all.

    A Tradition is a living thing, greater than the sum of its parts. The visible element is the tip of the iceberg. Accept it and you're 'covered'. I like delving into it.
     
  9. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Very late to the party, but you are still around. The psychological world emanates out of the physical world.
    Brahman is 'nirguna', no question of a will.
    Prajapati is not Brahman. No surprise he was as confused as some of us.
     
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    No. Not leading to the same place in life. My path will not take me to Thomas' Catholic destination. Nor to Joe's Islamic destination, etc. I'm not sure there is a final destination whilst one is still alive. As long as we are alive we are forever following our paths. That whole 'It is the Journey, Not the Destination' trope.

    After this life, I cannot answer whether everyone's path ends up in the same place or not. Nor can anyone else as no one who has been there has come back.
     
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    I'm not at all sure it isn't the other way around!
     
  12. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    I live in New Delhi. Suppose you live in New York. You will probably go into the soil there and I will go into the soil here. Our destinations are not the same. What solids constitute us does not go anywhere but remains where we are intetred. However, the volatile part, carbon-di-oxide and water vapor (on cremation of the body) go into the atmosphere. In case of burial, I think it will create Methane.
     
  13. Senthil

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    Is it ... "I have a soul." or "I am a soul, and I have a body (amongst other things)?
     
  14. Aussie Thoughts

    Aussie Thoughts Just my 2 cents

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    True enough and I suspect some blokes will produce more methane than others. ;)
     
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    In the Judeo-Christian tradition it is 'I am a soul; the body is the means by which the soul is present in the world.'
     
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    Thank you. I figured as much, and yet I keep hearing people talking about their soul, as if they (whomever 'they' is) own a soul, like a belly, or a nose.

    In Hinduism we are also souls, inhabiting bodies repeatedly, until we merge with God. So it is 'my body' not 'my soul'.

    It seems most simply forget, or have forgotten, and use 'I' for the individual ego-personality. English isn't the best for true conveyance of this.
     
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    Body, mind, spirit, soul... all quite interesting what various traditions believe...
     
  18. Aupmanyav

    Aupmanyav Search, be your own guru.

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    Nice question. Who speaks? The body is a bag. Is it not the soul that speaks? Let us discuss this some more.

    But, there are stages of soul. A realized one and one which is still under a veil. They speak differently. :)
     
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    I do not believe it is the soul that is speaking, but rather the individual 'I' ego. The soul sits and watches silently, unless of course it is indeed realized, in which case it can speak via the physical body. This would be from direct cognition, and not the regurgitation of other minds.
     
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    I think the soul..a higher self speaks occasionally... surprises us...or we ignore it...
     
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