Need help with Arabic dua translation and transliteration.

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  1. Amica

    Amica Member

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    [​IMG]Can someone help me translate and transliterate this prayer? Thank you. ​
     
  2. BigJoeNobody

    BigJoeNobody Professional Argument Attractor

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    Salaam Allahikum sister, I have asked a friend of mine to do it. It might take him a day or 2. Inshallah he will get to it in time to benefit you (and me maybe depending on content). I hope your Ramadan is going well.
     
  3. farhan

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    It is basically asking God to subjugate the servant of "this" surah urgently, whose name is abdul karim, for the sake of "shreekh" and "mardeekh" and what moses said on mountain toor.

    From my limited knowledge, you are playing with some unknown entities here. Its not some Quranic or Masnoon dua. Donot recite this too much, unless you have been given permission by somebody who has actually knows this.
     
  4. wil

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    If it is not personal...can you explain what some of these words mean? surah, shreekh, mardeekh, masnoon, dua?
     
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    I have not received the translation yet, but I was told up front it was bad Arabic structure. Neither classical or contemporary. and that it seemed mystical in nature... (he also stated that the quick look at it seemed more like a magic love wish... but he was going to look at it to be more exact)
     
  6. farhan

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    Surah is a quranic chapter, masnoon is a prayer which comes form Prophet Muhammad through hadith, dua is prayer. Shreekh and mardeekh I have got no idea.
     
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    in the name of Allah the compassionate the merciful

    oh god I ask you by the thing that causes your mercy and by also the thing which shall provide you forgiveness

    and that shall give me the power over this surah serving me

    your servant Abdul Kareem

    unless you answer and listen and obey

    by the right oh shariah, by the right oh shariah, mardabah

    and by the right of the one who talked to Prophet Moses

    from the mountain Cena,

    pages by which the old testament was written

    the golden bull

    at the moment

    may allah bless you, and have blessings over you

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    I have been advised by the translator not to post a transliteration as it seems as though it is meant for a dua, but encompasses some things that are against our religion. Primarily magic. He said it sounds as if someone were asking for a love, and a control over such. Also it seems to be mentioning the story of Moses and the Golden Bull, for no reason. maybe there is more context that is not written.
     
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    Those are the interesting kinds of prayers...praying for things that are said not to be prayed for...
     
  10. Amica

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    Salaam! I had no idea! Goes to show it is good to ask questions. I was looking for beneficial duas for myself and stumbled upon the dua I posted above, thinking it is a positive thing. I speak no Arabic and only understand what is said in regular prayers. I try to either memorize the meaning duas or the least what it is about, so I can focus better when praying. Thank you for helping me! I am glad I asked.
     
  11. farhan

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    There are hundreds of prophetic/quranic prayers, better stick to those.

    Here are a few that I have often used, compilations made by south asian and west african scholars/sufis. Recite them completely, or the ones you like.

    https://www.google.com/search?q=munajat+maqbool+english&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

    http://www.alhaddad.org/blog/?p=246

    There are other compilations, hizb al bahr (for general safety), ayatul hirz/manzil (general safety/black magic), Ayatush shifa (health) etc and many others for various purposes.
     
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    http://www.islam.tc/Dua/

    seems to have a large list of duas, and upon further exploration has a section for ramadan Duas specifically.
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    Farhan, please excuse me for my ignorance, but why would someone in Islam want duas for black magic? Is this a Sufi thing? I will admit my knowledge outside of Quranic text is limited, so please do not take this as insulting. I find mystics to be of questionable authority and acceptability.
     
  13. farhan

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    No no no, you got me all wrong there. There can never be such a thing as dua for black magic. What I have quoted above is dua against black magic, which is a collection of quranic verses, according to a hadith of tirmidhi.

    Hadhrat Ubay bin Ka'b (rd) reports that he was once with Rasulullaah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) when a Bedouin came and said, "O Nabi of Allaah (sw)! I have a brother who is suffering." "What is it that ails him?" Rasulullaah (sw) asked. When the man explained that his brother was affected by the Jinn, Rasulullaah (sw) told him to bring his brother to him. (When the man came) Rasulullaah (sw) seated the man in front of him and recited the following to secure protection for him (against the Jinn)

    (After Rasulullaah(sw) recited these before him) The man then stood up as if he had never had any ailment whatsoever.(Ahmad, Haakim and Tirmidhi,as quoted in Kanzul Ummaal (Vol.1 Pg.212).)


    Imam al-Nawawi in al-Adhkar mentioned that Ibn al-Sunni narrated that a man came to the Prophet, upon him blessings and peace and said that his brother suffered from a kind of jinn possession. The Prophet told him to bring him to him then recited upon him the following:
    - Sura al-Fatiha
    - The first four verses of al-Baqara
    - two verses from the middle (163-64)
    - Ayat al-Kursi
    - the last three verses of al-Baqara
    - The first verse of Al `Imran
    - Verse 18 of Al `Imran
    - Verse 54 of al-A`raf
    - Verse 116 of al-Mu'minun
    - Verse 3 of al-Jinn
    - The first 10 verses of al-Saaffaat
    - The last 3 verses of al-Hashr
    - The last three Suras of the Qur'an.


    So its a formulation made by the prophet himself from quranic verses against any bad supernatural influence. Sufis just compiled it in a book form and gave it a name.

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    The word mystic has got its own cultural baggage, and cant be used as a translation of the word sufi. A mystic is usually a guy who claims to have unitive experiences, sees things, and does nothing. The word sufi has also got hundreds of different meanings. One who is continuously in some altered state of consciousness, sees things and does nothing was usually called majzoob or darvesh.

    Usually in traditionally Islamic socities, people first studied language, logic, arithmatic, followed by quran, hadith, and then followed by "character training", that was called spiritual training or purification etc. Later on the tradition came to be known as sufi. Then came europeans and made an "ism" out of it.

    Traditionally it was just a continuum of education, not a separate "ism". And sufis were theologians, jurists and experts of building character, not just "mystics" in usual English sense.

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    Two links I gave above contain prayers from Quran and Hadith, "compiled" by sufis in one package. Sufis didnt make them up. And those two sufis are extremely authentic and respected people from South Asian and Arabic Islamic traditions
     
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    Thanks for clearing that up. After trying to do some research, I find there are about 12 different types of Sufi definitions. Some acceptable to Islam, some not so much.
     
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    I was specifically referring to definitions. Some include mystics, some are about living in ignorance (blind faith), and many others. There are lots of sects of Sufism.
     
  18. Amica

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    Thank you, Farhan and everyone. I wanted protection duas because my family and I have had some experiences in the past that were not so pleasant. As I embrace Islam more, I want to learn more. Arabic is proving to be difficult for me partially because I sometimes do not get it very well and because I am lazy at times too (must admit because I cannot lie to you). So, while I pray and understand what I pray in Arabic (or at least have a grasp of what my prayers mean), I do not understand and speak most of Arabic language. Sometimes people advise various prayers/supplications and it seems that at times they are not appropriate. Thank you all.
     
  19. BigJoeNobody

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    I completely understand Amica. I am much in the same boat. Language is not my strong suit. and Arabic is very difficult to me. Then again I partially know at least 3 languages, so it gets confusing when you haven't mastered any of them. In my experience, making Dua in your natural tongue is appropriate. From what I have read it is considered acceptable by most scholars, however they disagree with Quran and Salaat being in native tongues outside of origin. Which happens to be where I stand at the moment. Learning to read/recite. As you said, my biggest problem is laziness and getting distracted with learning the meaning, rather than the words. May Allah guide us all to the right path, and aid us in our endeavors.
     
  20. wil

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    three things... my understanding is no translation works as well as the original...there is meaning and poetry which is lost...second I honor Amica for her efforts in learning prayers and double checking things as well...third...BJN your statement
    is incredible to me...it is exactly the way I'd think it would be done but now by your putting it into words it seems quite possible that the other way would be better... very interesting.
     

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