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  1. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Aussie Thoughts Just my 2 cents

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    I wonder how 'Clam Chowder' figures in?o_O
     
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    BigJoeNobody Professional Argument Attractor

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    this seriously made me laugh, I wish uneducated people would quit trying to tell people what is true. 1 he doesn't understand that the term Merry Christmas has nothing to do with Shirk (To which I agree with only the point where Shirk is worse than all other sins). 1st off Christmas is a celebration of Jesus (PBUH) being born (granted... wrong day, season, probably even year.) Which I'm sure all Muslims are Happy it happened. 2nd, Jesus' (PBUH) birth has nothing to do with shirk, As he is our prophet and Messiah. 3rd, Greeting someone in their cultural traditions does not mean you are condoning what they believe.

    To be fair, it seems the only "News" source reporting on it and making this idjet famous is "todaychristian.net" an obviously unbiased source.
     
  4. wil

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    Shirk?
     
  5. Namaste Jesus

    Namaste Jesus Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai Staff Member

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    LOL... I got the same advertisement at the top of the page when I clicked the link!
     
  6. BigJoeNobody

    BigJoeNobody Professional Argument Attractor

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    Simply put, associating partners with Allah. Many also say associating his powers with others. .
     
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    I was wondering what the reference was... I did think maybe advert...but I had no clam chowder ads...
    thanx we don't speak Arabic...
     
  8. Devils' Advocate

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    Suggesting that stating a phrase is worse than murdering a human is so asinine it does not justify a response.
     
  9. Amica

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    I have heard some say that a Muslim cannot make a Christmas greeting to someone or to celebrate in the party of the holiday. These people have caused a debate where a debate should not exist, I think. One can proceed as Jews do by saying: "Happy holidays," which that just crams all the holidays into one greeting. Another way of wishing well to Christian friends would be: "I wish you all the best," or "Like always, I wish you health, happiness and peace." I have met Muslims who participate in Christmas celebrations and then those who stir clear. Also, I have seen Jews who refuse to decorate Christmas tree and Muslims who do it with their Christian friends.

    The reason why the preacher said the Christmas greeting might be worse than a murder is NOT because it is Christmas, but because of the possibility of committing the worse sin of all, as per Islam, and which would be recognizing that there is any other deity besides God SWT! Islam recognizes small and great sins. Murder is one of the forbidden great sins. However, God SWT in the Qur'an is promising to not forgive--never ever!-- only one of the great sins: belief that there is more than one deity.
    Of course, for any sin to be unforgivable in Islam would be to keep going to the sin after you repented (as per Qur'an). Therefore, people who used to believe in idols prior to accepting belief in One God might be forgiven that sin provided they do not go back to idolatry.

    So, what about the Christmas greeting? I think it boils down to the actual belief. Is the purpose of the greeting to express that you mean well to someone or to express your personal belief in something? If someone invites you over for a lunch to share with you on the most happiest days for them, would you be rude and decline? What if that person visited you when you invited them over for your holiday?
     
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    different realm of thought... Christians have a saying, That basically states that all sins are equal. Killing someone intentionally is a terrible thing, in another sense giving credit to something that didn't create the entire existence we know, and denying that from the one who did, is in essence of religious right... worse. As Amica stated, all sins can be forgiven, except 1...
    Personally I disagree with the opinion that Wishing someone a Merry Christmas or even doing the traditions as relevant to any discussion on shirk (with exception to the Santa Clause bit which is silly in the first place) As with everything in Islam, the primary drive of whether something is a sin or not is intention. Are you celebrating with an intention to honor Pagan Gods, or to confirm Jesus' (PBUH) divinity? Or are you just celebrating the Birth of a messenger, the Messiah, the once rightful king of the Jews and Future (depending on the scholar i guess) King of the followers of Islam. I intended to celebrate the Birth of Isa (PBUH) on an arbitrary day and honor my parent's request to join in family gatherings on a certain day in December... If it is wrong, May Allah forgive me, but I cannot in good faith even fathom the idea of being wrong. And Allah knows best.
     

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