Nine Religions of Divine Origin

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  1. 16Masail

    16Masail Bahá'i

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    No doubt and I don't deny the possibility that the White Buffalo Calf Woman could be a Prophet - Lesser or Greater. What I am arguing against are the statements of some Bahá'is that so-and-so who is not mentioned in the Bible, Qur'án, or the Bahá'i Writings is a Prophet. I think this violates the Guardian's directive expressed in Lights of Guidance, #1696. By the way, I apologize if I have been sounding harsh. I'm working on it.
     
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    Ahanu Well-Known Member

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    Since we're pointing fingers, note some Baha'is violate the Guadian's directive when they dogmatically insist on his statement about the nine religions and bring up the issue in a place with many intellectuals and students of religion. In the next paragraph, as I pointed out earlier, we noted the "Guardian feels that with intellectuals and students of religion the question of exactly which are the nine existing religions is controversial, and it would be better to avoid it. He does not want the friends to be rigid in these matters . . ."

    They could be mentioned in the Baha'i Writings. As I pointed out, "the Manifestations of His Divine glory and the Day Springs of eternal holiness have been sent down from time immemorial, and been commissioned to summon mankind to the one true God. That the names of some of them are forgotten and the records of their lives lost is to be attributed to the disturbances and changes that have overtaken the world." They are just not mentioned by name in scripture. So, in my personal opinion, I see no reason why Baha'is can't speculate about what those names could have been. We just can't say with any authority. Note no Baha'i is saying, "Hey, all you other Baha'is: you must believe __________ (insert ancient prophet) must be a Manifestation of God."

    I have nothing else to say about this issue.

    Well, I'm going to sit back and let you work on it. Until you've resolved your personal issue, I think it is best I stay out of your discussions. Your spin on things with Baha'is "ignoring 99% of humanity" is quite provocative. I've noticed other provocative statements that seem to want to stir up a certain type of response. Maybe I'm just projecting? You suggest some Baha'is "hide" Shoghi Effendi's comments when they are available for everyone online. If they were hiding them, you would think the same author of the article you cited--whose name is Christopher Buck--wouldn't mention it in his other online works. I work with children a lot. Some children always add negative spins to events that could be interpreted in alternative ways. Maybe I'm just projecting that experience onto you, but it certainly feels similar. So, yes, again, best for me to not engage any further.
     
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    16Masail Bahá'i

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    Ahanu,

    Peace be with you.
     
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    Ahanu Well-Known Member

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    By the way, why is Baha'i listed under your screen name? Don't tell me you left Shi'a Islam . . .

    Enjoy New Year's Eve.
     
  5. 16Masail

    16Masail Bahá'i

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    Ahanu,

    I have never been rude to you so please act more Bahá'i-like to me. Plus, we, Bahá'is, have our own New Year, remember ;)

    Wish you all the best :)
     
  6. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea An ordinary cup of tea

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    I for one enjoy the fact that two Baha'i have a thorough exchange with each other on this forum, or even that Baha'i is discussed at all. We get very little of this here and from someone with very little insight on the topic it is very appreciated.
     
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    Ahanu Well-Known Member

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    16Masa'il is h123 from bahaiforums.com. See here and here for samples.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    16.... We read a lot about the persecution of Baha'i in Iran.... How do you avoid it, and what is the basis for it?
     
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    Whole heartily agree with Tea. It is great to see discussion of the Baha'i faith from the differing perspectives of some of its adherents. A rare experience here.
     
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    A Cup Of Tea An ordinary cup of tea

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    I understand.
     
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    Ahanu Well-Known Member

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    He's a Shi'a Muslim.

    Yes, I know. As an American, New Year's Eve has no religious significance for me. Many view it as a social holiday. I just have a habit of saying, "Enjoy New Year's Eve". Or something similar during this time. I forgot I was talking to an Iranian Shi'a Muslim.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    Really? Is this true? Are you Baha'i? Or are you a Muslim Iranian?

    You know there is no problem if you are... Except two that is. If you are the Baha'i area is not the place for your discussions... Second it is awfully disengenous to masquerade as such in an interfaith forum.
     
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    16Masail Bahá'i

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    Ahanu,

    I am extremely saddened. You denounce my faith because of a few critiques? To falsely accuse me of h123 or a Shi'a Muslim is calumny.

    Ye have been forbidden to commit murder or adultery, or to engage in backbiting or calumny; shun ye, then, what hath been prohibited in the holy Books and Tablets. (Kitáb-i-Aqdas, k19)
     
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    16Masail Bahá'i

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    My friend, I'm a Bahá'i. Because of all this, for the next few days, I'm planning to post threads addressing why I believe that the Báb and Bahá'u'lláh are who They say They are.
     
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    As I told you in a private message, you're free to write critiques, so it's not because of a few critiques. Here are my 4 reasons:
    • The timing of the creation of this thread corresponds with the current hot topic on bahaiforums.com, and guess what? It's about possible Native American prophets. At the moment, it's the top thread. See their thread entitled "The Great Peacemaker: A Prophet?" This means you likely know the forum.
    • Your writing style is remarkably similar to h123's writing style. That means you're possibly h123.
    • The type of threads you start are also similar. Very critical. It's not about just being critical. But it is also how you're critical. You tend to focus on trying to catch Baha'is being unBaha'i. Like the morality police. See your thread about kissing hands here. This only confirms my suspicions.
    • You tend to have a hyper-literal approach to interpreting the Writings, just like h123.
     
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    16Masail Bahá'i

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    Ahanu,

    My friend, I don't know what else that I can say for I hate to have my faith stand trial. For the last time, I'm a Bahá'i and not who you're accusing me of being. Peace be with you.
     
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    Ahanu Well-Known Member

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    口蜜腹剑.

    Bye.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    Are you in Iran? If so what is it like being bahai in Iran?
     
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    16Masail Bahá'i

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    I'm from Canada but I can imagine that it must be tough because 99.4% of the population considers you by virtue of your religious affiliation to be unclean (najis). Think about your prospects of employment, tenancy, etc. My mother narrates how her Baha'i neighbor was forced to sell cigarettes on the street because nobody would employ him.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    When did your family emigrate? I guess after the revolution? Is she still there? Other relatives?
     

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