Is Mani, a Prophet?

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  1. 16Masail

    16Masail Bahá'i

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    Please state your answer and reasoning, preferably coupled with quotes from the Writings.

    Note: No generic quotes about God sending innumerable Messengers. They are too vague for one could substantiate any idle claimant based on these quotes.
     
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  2. StevePame

    StevePame Administrator Staff Member

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    I'm curious, what do you hope to get out of this question?
     
  3. 16Masail

    16Masail Bahá'i

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    Hello Steve,

    I don't believe in Mani and I've already stated my reason in another thread so I'm not here to reiterate my position. Instead, I just want to hear the opinion of other Bahá'is. There are many similarities between Manichaeism and the Bahá'i Faith. One, Manichaeism lasted for a thousand years and the Faith is expected to last for at least a thousand years. Two, both faiths seek to unite Zoroastrianism, Christianity, and Buddhism. Third, both faiths originated in Persia. I should have mentioned that first. lol
     
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    Ahanu Well-Known Member

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    Many on the forum may not be familiar with Mírzá Abu'l-Faḍl-i-Gulpáygání (1844–1914), who, according to Wikipedia, "was the foremost Baha'i scholar who helped spread the Baha'i Faith in Egypt, Turkmenistan, and the United States". 16 is clearly setting up a debate against Abu'l-Fadl's Fará'id (The Peerless Gems), a defense against attacks on Baha'u'llah's major theological work called the Kitáb-i-Íqán. In reality, our newcomer is starting an argument against both works. After The Peerless Gems' publication, Muslims responded. It's strange that a "Baha'i" would mention Muslim criticisms specifically and try to defend them, but okay . . .

    There are two reasons I have chosen to respond. First, I think students of religion on interfaith.org will find Abu'l-Fadl's work interesting. The Fará'id has yet to be translated, but there is an article about it online. I'll post an excerpt of a summary of Abu'l-Fadl's response to a high level Muslim cleric. The Muslim cleric tries to "turn the table" on Abu'l-Fadl. Check it out:

    Note Abu'l-Fadl's belief concerning Chinese religions. Unfortunately, I don't have a translation to know what he said. Since I'm interested in Chinese culture, I would love to know from an authoritative translation!

    Anyway, that's all I have to say in this thread. Second, I want to show others how Muslims criticized early Baha'i works.
     
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  5. 16Masail

    16Masail Bahá'i

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    Ahanu,

    What will I do with these false accusations? I could ignore them but it hinders discussion and worst of all, portrays the Faith in a bad light. Here are two Bahá'is who can't have a discussion without one calling the other an infidel. Nevertheless, I'll always forgive and love you. Keep well, brother.
     
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    16Masail Bahá'i

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    Since I'm the only contributor, I might as well provide my explanation as to why I believe Mani is not a Prophet in eyes of the Faith.

    Even though this quote is about Joseph Smith, the rationale behind him not being considered a Prophet is that "the succession of Prophets from the days of Christ as being Muhammad, the Báb, and finally Bahá'u'lláh." Since Mani preached his message after the days of Christ and before Muhammad, my understanding is that this rules him out.
     
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    Ahanu Well-Known Member

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    I responded to this in a private message to a few forum members. Have a nice day!
     

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