A Cake For a Special Couple?

Discussion in 'Abrahamic Religions' started by Amica2, Jun 27, 2017.

  1. wil

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    These aren't those times. And in the west, this isn't the culture that accepts it.

    Are the penalties for adultery meted out equally for husband and wife?
     
  2. wil

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    No, it was the social prejudices of the time that I grew up in. Combined with the fact that I am not gay. I've met gay men and women that also experience a horror at the thought of having sex with the opposite gender... It is simply the way they were born. They have no problems working with, playing with, speaking with the opposite sex but the thought of being with them intimately repulses them.
     
  3. Abdullah

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    Yup, equally

    Infact, the women who claim 'rape' in court usually get away with it as a benefit of doubt arises whether they gave their consent, but the men always get punished.
     
  4. Abdullah

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    thanks for that wil, a good insight into the gay mind that and it conforms to Islam!

    Islam doesn't punish gay tendencies but does punish if you cross that line and act on your desires, so it seems that Allah puts in inherent distaste in them for the actual gay sex itself!, a sort of like 'warning bells' not to cross that line

    I remember in my younger days the average guy will be incensed with the idea of gay sex, but now the average westerner supports it;

    I've also seen the intense government indoctrination regarding it such as, any negative words about gay sex is branded as 'discrimination', you lose your job if you say anything negative about a gay etc so no surprise everyone gradually adopted the government's view as no one wants to be the 'outcast' do they?

    Also after some time people tend to think that the government must be right since every authoritative/influential body in the country is made to adopt the same stance too ☹

    That's what happens when people don't have an objective source of truth to follow like the Quran
     
  5. wil

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    What people do intimately with consent of their partners behind closed doors is their business....and if you believe as you do Allah's judgement.

    Why wouldn't it be between them? Why is there a need to get involved?
     
  6. Thomas

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    Why indeed! It does seem that the Abrahamics take a public and inordinate interest in who's doing what to whom, and where they're putting what ...

    ... meanwhile, once married, advice for heterosexual couples who have reached an impasse, who have descended into violence, and, dare I suggest it, that one or t'other partner suggests doing/putting something where the accepted rule is it didn't oughta do/go, is, too easily and too often, put up with it ... :rolleyes:
     
  7. Bhaktajan II

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    I see it as a question of how we see "what is sublime".
    Versus the supra-mundane ---or even more extreme, versus the muddingly mental dreamscapes of the myriads of sensual pleasure of the genitalia ethos.

    I have learnt that Sex = the highest pleasure amongst humankind and even animals. Have you ever seen your [un-spaded] dog when there was a female dog in heat nearby? The male dog wants to uncontrollably run away from home and follow the scent at what ever hour it is.

    There are Ayurvedic procedures to invoke the conception of blessed soul to take birth. The Pre-Natal Samskara is called Garbhadhana-Samskara.

    NOTE: here there is the sub-topic of causing a Male child to be conceived, rather than female ---this involves only a physical consideration [of which I wont meantion here now].

    So every other type of sex is for pleasure of body and ego...and is further away from such a Samskara.

    **Sanskara are rites of passage in a human being's life described in ancient Sanskrit texts, as well as a concept in the karma theory of Indian philosophies. The word literally means "putting together, making perfect, getting ready, to prepare", or "a sacred or ...** Wiki
     
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  8. Aussie Thoughts

    Aussie Thoughts Just my 2 cents

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    Ok, stupid question time. Religious text and convictions aside and speaking strictly in the carnal, as a heterosexual there's something I just don't get. If you're attracted to the same equipment you already have, what do you need with a partner?
     
  9. Abdullah

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    You're right what they do hidden is between them; in this respect we just point out to them it's a great sin and to save themselves from hell just as the Prophet Lut (as) did.

    So it's only public sexual sin (i.e, if witnessed by anyone) that's punished or if they confess
     
  10. Abdullah

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    Lolol you're right there!!!; couples see that as a way of saving their marriage, to 'spice up' their love life!

    However, if we live the spiritual life God enjoins on us, our soul never sinks to those depths where you need to taste the forbidden to get a kick out of life
     
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  11. Abdullah

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    You mean when you can just make your hand your 'wife'?

    There is no proper satisfaction in that, also the metaphysical harms effects the physical life too, so there is physical and psychological damage done too; in the metaphysical sense, that is the curse from God as masturbation is forbidden
     
  12. wil

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    Imagine you woke up and it was 1947... And the next day you woke up and it was still 1947, day after day you woke up again in 1947....

    71 years ago it was like that for everyone.

    That and in this thread.
     
  13. Abdullah

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    I thing the biggest question that arises from this discussion is, shouldn't gays have any sexual pleasure in life then and if no, how would that be fair on them when heterosexual people can?

    This question is answered with 2 points

    1. There are 2 type of 'gays', the gay by choice, I.e, it's just a perverted choice for him just as people can develop other sexual deviant fetishes, the other is, gay by biological imbalance of hormones.

    The 1st type only has himself to blame as he shouldn't allow himself to develop this kink; there is an understanding amongst people too that one can be gay by choice if you do not control your fantasies or 'dark desires' which the satan in us can influence. Princess Diana's butler revealed that she used to get him to buy girlie mags and give it to William and Harry so that they didn't turn gay...

    I myself am very careful never to watch gay porn as I may develop an irrevocable gay desire myself!

    The second type are very rare, they are being tested just as a person born disabled or blind is being tested, they still have to live a normal life as possible (like get married to opposite sex); if they bear in mind that this life is just a test and in heaven they will be 'normal', then it will be easy for them, so it's only the atheist that doesn't see reason why he shouldn't indulge his gay desires

    And this is why we have all the gay 'normalisation' indoctrination from western governments as they're ultimately influenced by the atheist evolution theory
     
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    Funny, Ive been watching people eat okra for 60 years and have not developed any desire.. Known gay folks for decades and no interest in it... That and the high popularity of gay searches in Islamic countries... Do they also search for gay porn to insure they don't watch it?

    Why do I feel I am stuck in some comedic parody here?

    Again, punishing people on earth for something you think that your G!d will punish for eternity seems ludicrous
     
  16. Namaste Jesus

    Namaste Jesus Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai

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    I fully expect Rod Serling to step out of the shadows any minute now.... "Submit for your approval......"
     
  17. Abdullah

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    Lolol yup I specialise in comedy! .

    Aaah but s3xual kinks can get a hold of us like nothing else!

    God only punishes the desbelievers for eternity so Muslim sodomites won't be punished for eternity.

    There needs to be a deterrent on earth doesn't their wil, in order to stop deviancy spreading and to deter from hell itself

    Anyway let's stop this topic as I suspect I'm hurting the gays' feelings saying words like sodomites etc so better I shut up now
     
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  18. Aussie Thoughts

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    No, not talking relationships, metaphysics or God. As I said...
    In other words, carnally speaking, I just don't get same sex attraction. I mean, there are men I have a genuine affection for. Men I've embraced and even kissed on the cheek, but that's as far as it goes. Unlike females, there's just no carnal attraction there. Never saw the point really. After all, I'm equipped the same as they are. I want the opposite in my partner.
    Is that to say it's ok to watch straight porn? I'm a photographer/videographer. Seen it all. Never shot porn, but I've worked on a number of projects just shy. Good many colleagues bowl for the opposite squad as well. So satan takes his best shot at me all the time. Never swayed from my marriage vows though, nor changed my mind which team to play for.
     
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  19. wil

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    Of our politicians are any example for anything at all... The most vocal people against homosexuality, the most homophobic. Eventually get caught with their pants down
    You and I, we are what is known as heterosexual...we are attracted to the opposite sex. Homosexuals have the same answers as we...they don't understand our attraction to the opposite sex just as we don't understand their attraction to the same sex. Most become aware of this long before puberty...and at puberty it is confirmed. If they live in an oppressive environment it is like living in hell.

    Imagine living in a culture that is only homosexual and being a "hetero" is shamed, condemned, and punished... If we were to live in that environment we would be able to understand what a homosexual in or out of the closet feels every day...
     
  20. Aussie Thoughts

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    Thanks for the lesson, but as I said in my initial post....
    All I can say is, we were created the way we were created. What gets crossed up along the way and whether or not that should be resisted or embraced is another matter altogether.
     
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