A Cake For a Special Couple?

Discussion in 'Abrahamic Religions' started by Amica2, Jun 27, 2017.

  1. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Active Member

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    I dis-like the notion that “Born Homosexual” is taken seriously.


    It’s like saying the convict told the Judge that yes he murdered the dead guy, “But Judge, evidently I was born a murderer. Can’t you go lenient on me? It’s my nature. You can't blame me for anything except 'me being me'. So that make’s me innocent ---and a symbol of our progressive thinking too”


    Next,


    I have this psychological theory that a Male Gay somehow ‘hates his father’ and so transfers his hate to another male ---but since the hate is so suppressed--- the Male Gay is ‘sublimat’ his hate into a repentive love for his fellow male, which affords a self-possessed existential honorary notoriety, after which all the trappings are enabled by heightened play.
     
  2. wil

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    Dang you are a hard guy to agree with.
     
  3. wil

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    Me thinks you should look into it more. The only gay men I know that don't get along with their fathers are ones who have fathers who can't accept their son is homosexual. Due to attitudes like some folks in this thread, they feel their son being gay is somehow their fault, or something they are embarrassed about.

    In all cultures for all time there have been homosexuals, heterosexuals, bisexuals, and then also folks who feel female yet born with male genitalia and vice versa...and intersex people, born with both genitals...often doctors have 'rectified' this at birth or soon thereafter...causing permanent psychological issues.

    Why is this all coming to the forefront now? Because science is understanding what we could not.
     
  4. Bhaktajan II

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    Will, I don't care a fig for the Gay pathos/ethos ---imo it's like sports and worse sport reporters. I pay sports but I don't watch it. The gay experience is like sports to me, I don't follow it because it is of no interest to me.

    My concern was to borrow the “Born Homosexual” calculus and apply it to real life concerns. “Born murderer” “Born Terrorist” “Born World class Good Looking” “Born Spoiled Rich” “Born a poor urban minority” “Born Athlete” “Born innocent” “Born prodigy” “Born sucker” “Born desperate”

    Each can be "Trading Places" with another path but they are tied to their ego.
     
  5. Thomas

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    Not really. You're comparing things that are objectively quite different.
     
  6. Bhaktajan II

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    So no one is born with any "societal" trait?
    We are born with physical traits. But a mathematician's child might be a mathematician prodigy.

    But gays are born to be fabulous?
     
  7. Abdullah

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    Good man!

    Nope watching porn is a sin but since it's at your fingertips, the 'satan' can get us at times ☹
     
  8. wil

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    I sure can't turn off my sexual attraction to females... I'm pretty sure I was born that way.
    last question first... yes... lol

    “Born murderer”
    not shown, some have mental issues which end up murdering...

    “Born Terrorist”
    nope again, learned behaviour

    “Born World class Good Looking”
    yes, that happens...but society determines what is good looking

    “Born Spoiled Rich”
    nope the spoiled rich happens after birth

    “Born a poor urban minority”
    Yes, of course
    “Born Athlete”
    Yes genetics often predisposes ability to create muscle easily

    “Born innocent”
    in my view, all of us, I don't believe in original sin

    “Born prodigy”
    Yes, but it often is not sons or daughters of mathematicians or piano players, but folks with no understanding of where that comes from (yay, you hit one)

    “Born sucker”
    yes, if not, and they can't latch on they are in trouble

    “Born desperate”
    again, yup, humans need to rely on their parent for years (some decades) before they are self sufficient.

    Yes we are aware there are homophobic folk that wish to blame others for the way they are... and are disgusted that science is showing that people are people... Love your neighbor as yourself... someone once said... that doesn't mean in a carnal sense... And that mirror...when you hate someone's way, it often means that trait they express is within you and you dislike that feeling.

    And yes, some folks who have gay sex do so for enjoyment and enjoy sex with both sexes, some do it because they have a sex addiction, others for money...but the vast majority of gays were born with differing interests than our own. And what is a shame, is the ones that can't express their feelings because societal or religious norms will condemn them for doing so.
     
  9. Bhaktajan II

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    There was a person born long ago. They died long ago. Their biography was written. The biography was lost over time.

    Did this person fulfill their destiny?

    A person's destiny is written after the destiny occurred.

    After a person lives and dies ---it can be said that their posthumous biography will state their destiny.

    ie:
    After a homeless person in Kyrgyzstan lives and dies ---it can be said that the destinyof that homeless person in Kyrgyzstan will be written in his biography [if any one cared to write one].
     
  10. wil

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    I am almost positive you were trying to make a point....however it went completely over my head.
     
  11. Thomas

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    No, I think society inculcates those traits.

    The classification 'gay', 'straight', 'bi', etc is just that, it's a made-up category to group people together according to their inclinations.

    Homosexual relationships were honourable in ancient Greek culture. They were is samurai culture. I should imagine they were a lot more prevalent in patriarchal societies where the woman is held in little worth. A 'Platonic relationship', for example, a relationship in which the couple so engaged strive towards a 'higher', 'holy' state, a higher eros, so would forgo the pleasures of the flesh and the lower eros, was spoken of by Plato and via Plato by Socrates, as referring to relationships between men. Women didn't figure.

    Were Greek men genetically or otherwise disposed to be 'gay'? Were samurai? No. They were men born in an age and place where homosexual relations was not considered a 'sin'.

    By which I mean, those same men, in the West today, would most probably declare themselves thoroughly heterosexual, because the social mores that are around today would have shaped them differently.

    As an Abrahamic, the issue as I see it is the question of gender is far more complex than the interpretations derived from Scripture.

    For millennia, the rule that God made everyone straight-forward heterosexual, and therefore any 'deviation' from that line is wrong and a sin, was assumed an unassailable argument.

    It's assumed from nature: male-female is the ideal for the continuation of the species, the alternatives are non-productive. Ergo they're not 'good', ergo not defined by God, ergo a disordered passion, and a sin.

    But nature clearly shows that in many species, there is a broad range of sexual activity, outside the normative reproductive.

    It is clear that sexual orientation is a way, way more fluid affair.

    We're currently around a 'fudge' in the argument that follows the 'hate the sin not the sinner' theory, that if you're homosexual you're not necessarily a bad person, but you are if you engage in homosexual sex. Really, it doesn't make sense, or rather it only makes sense when society decides what's good and what's bad.

    Today, for example sex with a minor is a despicable crime. The age of consent has shifted over the centuries, but we do not retroactively condemn those, for example, who took 12 year old wives (and younger) in the past.

    It really is a societal thing.

    And we really need a debate, but I don't see that happening any time soon, especially when heterosexuals get so hot under the collar thinking about what homosexuals get up to ...
     
  12. wil

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    ain't that the truth.

    *red added by me
     
  13. Bhaktajan II

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    I am in accord with B.F. Skinner's "Behavioral Conditioning"
     
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    Angus T. Jones tells people to stop watching 'filth' like 'Two & a Half Men'
    Angus T. Jones of the TV show "Two and a Half Men"

    After setting off a firestorm of reports, commentary, and even a spoof with the video testimonial in which he bashed the show that made him a star, Two and a Half Men's Angus T. Jones has issued a statement responding to the controversy. Although he doesn't take back anything he said, he does apologize to everyone ...

    Nov 26, 2012 - For a comedy, "Two and a Half Men" on CBS brings a lot of drama. Angus T. Jones, the 19-year-old actor who has played the "Half" man, Jake Harper, since 2003, calls the sitcom "filth" in a taped interview that recounts his religious experience.

    Charlie Sheen has broken his silence on his former Two and a Half Men co-star Angus T. Jones' tirade about how he doesn't want to be on the show anymore. “With Angus's Hale-Bopp-like meltdown, it is radically clear to me that the show is cursed,” the 47-year-old actor told People.

    Angus called his show Two and a Half Men “filth” and urged viewers to stop watching the hit sitcom in a video he released via the Forerunner Christian Church. Make sure to watch the video in case you missed it!
     
  15. Bhaktajan II

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    So Fellows when do you think a re-make of 'Two & a Half Men' will air on cable ----where the
    role of Charlie Sheen the Uncle AND the Brother are both *gay?

    *instead of heterosexual.


    Reminder: 'Two & a Half Men' was not on cable but it was on during primetime hours
     
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    Will and Grace is back... Just for you!
     
  17. Bhaktajan II

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    I am very finicky over which homosexuals I will spend time with ---and I loved every second I spent with these two Homosexuals:
    Freddie and Stuart



    <flinging Arm finger Snap to the right>
    <flinging Arm finger Snap to the left>
     

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