Disposing Paper With God's Name On It?

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  1. Amica2

    Amica2 Well-Known Member

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    Salam!

    Besides burning, would shredding be OK? I have an old diary where I sometimes wrote God's Name for various reasons (to say thanks, to ask a question). Can I shred the diary? If yes, does shredding go someplace special? Or burning is the only option? Thanks.
     
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    BigJoeNobody Professional Argument Attractor

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    I am not going to give you a straight answer, I will say that I'm sure one way is better than the other, but I personally don't see any problem with disposing of it in any way that isn't meant as offensive. I used to use some old papers in compost bins, I figured if the worms eat the name of Allah on a paper they are both doing their job which is respectful, and disposing of the paper which is then used in the garden. Burning is obviously the agreed acceptable way though.
     
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  3. Namaste Jesus

    Namaste Jesus Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai Moderator

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    Hey, just curious. How do Muslims, and Jews for that matter, deal with handling and circulating currency with the word 'GOD' printed on it. I mean, you have no way of knowing who's handled it before you, for what purpose it was previously used and what will become of it once it leaves your hands?
     
  4. Thomas

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    I would have thought this a cultural thing? Burning because of the idea of purification/holocaust/, but think of Tibetan prayer flags that end up bleached rags in the wind, or casting the pages loose on a river?

    I think it's a mindfulness and a symbol thing. I mean, you could, I suppose, with the greatest respect, flush the pages down the toilet, but I couldn't do that, I'd have to do something that I find symbolically fitting.
     
  5. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    The way I see it....the name of G!d is on everything....
     
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    LOL, you're just too cool for school! :cool:
     
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    wil only knows how to rebell!
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Is there a disagreement?

    If man rights the name....and then has issues destroying it....seems like idol worship?
     
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    BigJoeNobody Professional Argument Attractor

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    you equate a name of the creator to an Idol? Or do you consider showing reverence to the pattern in how it is written worship? I think you are stretching at this point to try to make everything an idol, just to have something to disagree with.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    What is an idol? Any man made representation of G!d?
     
  11. Amica2

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    I guess the burning is the best... <3
     
  12. Thomas

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    Is a very good question.

    I don't think so.

    The Second Commandment — You shall not make for yourself an image — would have been pretty definite had it stopped there, but it didn't, and in its ongoing there is an allowance for wriggle-room.

    I would say, as a loose definition, that an idol 'stands in the way of God' whereas an icon 'opens the way to God' — but this is a complex issue as one man's icon is another man's idol!

    There are examples in Zen of masters taking a sacred text and using it to light a fire — its the kind of 'outrageous' action than zennies delight in. But it has its point: what matters in the Heart Sutra is the Heart Sutra, not the paper it's written on. Then again, if that was the last copy you just threw on the fire, then you are going to be Mr Popular ...

    An eikon, be it a painting, sculpture or script, a piece of music, a poem ... does not necessarily signify an attachment to appearances, but rather offers an outward focus with reference to its interior or transcendent essence.

    It's when we start thinking about the former more than the latter, that's when we get into problems.

    There's nothing wrong with depicting God as an old man with a beard. In fact, symbolically, there are a number of reasons that make it right ... and I much prefer that to the sad, puppy-dog-like image of The Sacred Heart of Jesus, which just looks like sentimentalism gone overboard to me. But that's me.

    We Catholics get a lot of stick for their paintings, statues, rosaries, etc. The Orthodox cop it for icons. But most of the time the critic assumes idolatry, when they're not really sure what idolatry is, or whether it is idolatry at all.

    The simple fact is, people need their symbols. Most people can't think in abstracts. My idols are the metaphysical transcendentals; the Absolute, the Infinite, etc., not because they're wrong, but because there's more to God than that.

    But disposing of the Divine Name? There's a lot in a name, a lot more than people imagine.

    And would you put the body of your dead mother out for the refuse collectors to dispose of?

    No. It's all a matter of proportion.
     

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