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Who will enter Heaven?

  1. Yes. He may enter.

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  2. No. not at all.

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  1. star17

    star17 New Member

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    Is it only the Muslims enter Heaven? What will happen to the followers of our religions? Will non-Muslims too enter heaven? Let's assume a person does good deeds that are appreciated by God and he keeps himself away from all bad deeds. The only issue with him is that he's not a Muslim. What will happen to him? Will he still enter Paradise?
     
  2. BigJoeNobody

    BigJoeNobody Professional Argument Attractor

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    from a strict theological view...

    Who are we to say? Allah is the decider of who is sent to Jannah (Heaven) or Jahennum (Hell).

    As Muslims I would say the evidence seems to point toward someone of good deeds who hasn't heard the word of Allah would be saved for sure as Allah wouldn't punish someone for what they do not know. If the person were to reject Islam after knowing it to be true, or associating partners with Allah, they are the ones who are sure to be cast into the flame. Then again, Allah's Mercy is so great he may even forgive those who reject, but he has vowed to not allow those who associate partners with Allah into Jannah. Also mind you there are more special cases, for instance those who live according to the other Abrahamics (correctly, not blind belief only with no adherence to or effort to follow the actions prescribed) are also eligible for Jannah, assuming they hold to the basic tenants of One God, no equals, etc.

    I'm not going to answer your poll because it is not accurate for me to say one way or the other. Even if I knew everything I could about the person, I cannot tell you what will come of them on the day of judgement. Same as I cannot say for you or myself.
     
  3. star17

    star17 New Member

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    Thank you very much for your reply. May Allah (SWT) bless you.
     
  4. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Hi Star,

    I believe all good people -- good Muslims, good Buddhists, good Christians, good Hindus, etc. -- will enter Heaven.

    What do you think?
     
  5. star17

    star17 New Member

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    Thank you very much for your reply. Well. I do have doubt on the fact some say only Muslims will enter Paradise. I believe all the people who do good will enter heaven, as God is the most forgiving and merciful. Thinking only Muslims will enter Paradise is against His Just. He is the sustainer of all human being.

    "Indeed the faithful, the Jews, the Christians and the Sabaeans - those of them who have faith in God and the Last Day and act righteously - they shall have their reward from their Lord, and they will have no fear, nor will they grieve. [Quran:2:62]
     
  6. Nick the Pilot

    Nick the Pilot Well-Known Member

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    Hi Star,

    You have the right idea!

    But I take issue with part of your quote. I think that even good people who do not have "faith in God", for example Buddhists, will also enter Heaven. What do you think?
     
  7. Namaste Jesus

    Namaste Jesus Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai Staff Member

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    ...and what of the devout who worship faithfully, but in other than the Abrahamic traditions?
     
  8. BigJoeNobody

    BigJoeNobody Professional Argument Attractor

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    I think this highly depends on the person. In the end it is Allah who judges. As stated before there are statements that Allah WILL NOT forgive associating partners or creating equals to him.So I think there is an argument to be had for those that say even the unknowing will go to Jahennum (Hell). But He is also the most forgiving and the most generous... Therefor he may have some way of alleviating those problems.
     
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  9. star17

    star17 New Member

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    Exactly. Everything depends on a person's actions. so whatever you do, no matter what religion u follow, do it in the right way so that u don't regret in the future. Because God watches over us and there's nothing hidden from Him. He will reward you.
     
  10. BigJoeNobody

    BigJoeNobody Professional Argument Attractor

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    That is still only potential. Allah could Judge that one simply is not worthy based on not adhering to his Law. From an Islamic Perspective, there is only 1 way that is the best and most assured way to Jannah (Heaven) and that is through Islam, and even among those who claim to follow, some are not followers and will taste the fire. We must remember that there is no given, and our faith must remain strong and our actions good, then by Allah's Grace and Mercy we can be saved from the hellfire.
     
  11. Amica2

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    Qur'an 2:62 cited earlier is the basic guideline in Islam. Muslims, however, are given further conditions that include charity, abandonment of hypocrisy, no lying, etc.
    Elsewhere in the Noble Qur'an, Allah SWT specifically says that He may forgive any sin but one: that of idolatry committed all the way until the last breath a person takes. As noted in the Qur'an, people were idolaters some time in their lives, but managed to become believers. Perhaps, Allah SWT will forgive them such. But I think with the example of the drowned pharaoh we are told that the pharaoh was unbeliever until he died, and only when he died did he accept the truth, but it was too late.
     
  12. Irfan

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    First of All it is your faith or your believe and if you want to go even further "up" it your knowledge (gnosis) of God that brings you to /paradise/haeven jannah. All monotheists will definately enter it at certain point so they will not be condemned to hell eternally (btw. I have intention to start a new topic regarding islamic and christian teachings of eternal hell, there was a very interesting interpretation of one old Sufi Sheikh that I found on Youtube unfotunatelly I forgot his name but I'l try to find it and p[ut the link). there isa Hadith (narration) from the Prophet Muhhamed savs that the last man who will come out of Hell and enter haeven did everthing wrong in his life not a single good deed but he believed there is only One God.
     
  13. Abdullah

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    hi star, welcome!

    that verse you quoted refers to people of past; not after the advent of Muhammad [saw]; here is an article that gives the definitive [orthodox] Islamic view:

    http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/amat.htm
     
  14. Irfan

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    Well, if someone is ortodox it does not mean that he/she has fully wright in fact many things by those "orthodox" today are wrong. What I've stated in my post is that none who believed in one and oly One God will stay in hell forever , they will come out, and this verse has been largley manipulated i mean the interpretatation here the past tense has not been used it is rather those who have believed and believe.
     
  15. Abdullah

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    salaam br.

    hadith and Quran clearly says those who reject the Quran will go to hell so just believing in one God is not enough, they have to convert to Islam once they hear about it, however the Scholars differ on how much a person needs to hear about Islam before they're guilty of rejecting it hence we reserve judgement with certainty as to which non Muslim is in hell as only God knows wether they received enough of the message or not.

    Allah has promised in Quran that it will be protected and this promise extends to the meaning of the Quran too as there will be no point in just protecting the text of Quran and not it's correct interpretation hence all of the Scholars couldn't have got it wrong for last 1400 years as that will mean Quran was not protected; this is why orthodoxy is important br and we look to tradition to determine the correct Islam
     
  16. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    It helps the readers now and in the future if you provide the scripture to which you are basing your statement.
     
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  17. Abdullah

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    hi wil

    it's all in that link provided couple posts above; also here's a few more:

    The following verse is very clear in that it says the Prophet Muhammad pbuh came with new laws (I.e, the Quran) for Jews and Christians and only those out of them who believe in him, follow him, they will be saved

    "Those who follow the Messenger, the Prophet who can neither read not write whom they find written with them in the Tawraat and the Injeel, - he commands them for al-Ma’roof (i.e., Islamic monotheism and all that Islaam has ordained); and forbids them from al-Munkar (i.e., disbelief, polytheism of all kinds, and all that Islaam has forbidden); he allows them as lawful al-Tayyibaat (i.e., all good and lawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods, etc.), and prohibits them as unlawful al-khabaa’ith (i.e., all evil and unlawful as regards things, deeds, beliefs, persons, foods, etc.), he releases them from their heavy burdens (of Allaah’s Covenant) and from the fetters (bindings) that were upon them. So those who believe in him (Muhammad), honor him, help him and follow the light (the Qur’aan) which has been sent down with him, it is they who will be successful."
    [al-A’raaf 7:157]

    Believe ye in part of the Scripture and disbelieve ye in part thereof? And what is the reward of those who do so save ignominy in the life of the world, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be consigned to the most grievous doom. For Allah is not unaware of what ye do. (2:85)

    And We send not the Messengers but as givers of glad tidings and as warners. So whosoever believes and does righteous good deeds, upon such shall come no fear, nor shall they grieve. But those who reject Our ayat (verses, signs, proofs), the torment will touch them for their disbelief. (Al-An`am 6:48, 49)

    Verily, those who disbelieve in Allah and His Messengers and wish to make distinction between Allah and His Messengers saying, ‘We believe in some but reject others,’ and wish to adopt a way in between. They are in truth disbelievers. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating torment. (An-Nisaa’ 4:150, 151)

    above verse clarifies ALL of God's Messengers (including Prophet Muhammad pbuh) must be believed and accepted as God's Messengers or otherwise you're not a believer and will be in hell
     
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  18. Abdullah

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    As for today, only Islam is valid or acceptable now that Allah has sent it to all men, for the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) has said,

    "By Him in whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, any person of this Community, any Jew, or any Christian who hears of me and dies without believing in what I have been sent with will be an inhabitant of hell"(al-Baghawi: Sharh al-sunna 1.104). This hadith was also reported by Muslim in his Sahih by `Abd al-Razzaq in his Musannaf, and others. It is a rigorously authenticated (sahih) evidence that clarifies the word of Allah in surat Al 'Imran"Whoever seeks a religion other than Islam will never have it accepted from him, and shall be of those who have truly failed in the next life" (Qur'an 3:85) and many other verses and hadiths.

    http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/nuh/amat.htm
     
  19. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Just a question...I see the hadiths as accepted by some, and rejected by others. Is that correct? But I find the hadiths often quoted more than the Quran.. just as you have.
     
  20. Abdullah

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    hadith are accepted by all Muslims, some Muslims don't accept 'weak' classified hadiths and some differ on the classification of some hadiths, i.e, one Scholar may grade a hadith authentic while another may consider it weak, but all agree on the rigorously authenticated hadiths that are in sahih muslim and bukhari and above quoted hadith is one of those.
     

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