Non-duality

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  1. Bhagwan

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    non-duality is an experience
     
  2. Bhagwan

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    words create duality
     
  3. Bhagwan

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    words create duality.
     
  4. Bhagwan

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    Ramana Maharshi.
    are you implying that you would have to be seperate
     
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  6. Thomas

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    And where do words arise?

    As soon as any creature becomes self-aware, or self-reflective, duality is inevitable.

    All religious endeavour is, in some degree, an attempt to overcome that distinction, but really its part of the wiring of the faculty, it's there before any activity, so it's an attempt to overcome one's own nature, or the nature of nature ...

    If we were actually 'one with' the the cosmos, with no filters, no 'this-and-that', we would be overwhelmed and incapacitated by the inflow of data, the system would crash, so filters are necessary and without them we couldn't function.

    So the idea of 'one-ness' is always contingent, always relative, always relational ... or so it increasingly seems to me.
     
  7. Namaste Jesus

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    That's exactly what happens in the Bhagavad Gita when Krishna honors Arjuna's request to see him (God) as he actually appears. Complete sensory overload.
     
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    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Is not a stone One-with-the-Universe?

    In-animate objects never offer objections.
    In-animate objects are always at peace and neutral and without sin.

    There is no crashing over-load for a stone.

    What Arjuna felt at peace with was having Krishna's person at his side.

    Krishna's form of Universal omnipresence is a vast cosmic ocean of impersonal machinery.
     
  9. Thomas

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    I'd say no, stones don't have that order of relation with anything?

    Is a stone free? ... I think we need to be wary of anthropomorphising here?

    Unless it's a bigger stone! :D
     
  10. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Where (or what) is the anthropomorph ?
    What is the original anthropomorph ?

    Is the defacto purpose of the universe (so far) to evolve anthropomorphs ?

    Will the real anthropomorph please stand up?

    Anthropomorph are predicated on a Transcendent Param-morph?

    To anthropomorph or not to anthropomorph...

    Buddha say no more anthropomorph.

    Live life to its fullest anthropomorph while you can!




    From Latin creatūra.

    criatura f (plural criatures)
    1. creature (living being, especially an animal)
    2. small child, infant
      Synonyms: infant
    1. creature, beast
    2. person
    Synonyms
     
  11. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    anima

    from Latin anima(“a current of air, wind, air, breath, the vital principle, life, soul”), sometimes equivalent to animus(“mind”), both fromProto-Indo-European*h₂enh₁-(“to breathe, blow”); see animus. Cognate with Ancient Greekάνεμος(ánemos, “wind”), Old Englishanda(“anger, envy, zeal”). More at onde.

    The soul or animating principle of a living thing

    anima (accusative singular animan, plural animaj, accusative plural animajn)

    1. of the soul; spiritual mind, mental, psychological, inner quotations ▼
      Ĝi staras antaŭ miaj animaj okuloj.
      I can see it with my mind’s eye.
      anima lukto / ekvilibro
      inner struggle / balance
    HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

    LOL ... A lot of anthropomorphising here in this one word?:

    First declension.
    Case Singular Plural
    nominative
    anima animae
    genitive animae animārum
    dative animae animīs
    accusative animam animās
    ablative animā animīs
    vocative anima animae
     
  12. Thomas

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    Hi Bhaktajan II —

    You haven't really addressed the issue — all I was suggesting in response to your:
    was that inanimate objects cannot offer 'objections'

    The definition you offer of anima rules out stones having senses or feelings — they lack life as we define it.

    Quite. There can't be, as the stone has no receptive faculty to overload.
     
  13. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Sir Thomas, I am in agreement.

    My point was the contra-indication(s) [don't know the right word here].

    I am referencing the Nirvana state that is sought by what 'we' call impersonalist or sunya-vadi or maya-vadi and/or the Advaitists.

    They are actively seeking a state that makes a stone look like concrete reality. They seek extinction.

    In our Theistic monasteries the first rule for a novice/child/student/seeker is to understand that:
    We are spirit souls in the material world. We must first know, We are not the body, We are spirit souls.

    And of course the Gita explains the nature and position of the soul....from there the rest of Yoga, dharma and liberation etc is pursued predicated on that first lesson: We are not the body, We are spirit souls.

    Those seeking Nirvana as a state of extinction aka merging into void/become void ---ignores lessons given in the Gita as rudimentary.
     
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  15. Bhaktajan II

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    How many times have we heard of a foreign Language that "doesn't have a word for ____"?

    Some milieus don't have need to express certain concepts. They're outfitted with words they need and use and all the rest is unknown to them.

    DYK:
    The native Hawaiian alphabet consists of thirteen letters: five vowels and eight consonants.
     

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