In the news.... Are religious people more moral?

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  1. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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  2. Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine

    Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine Junior Moderator, Intro

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    My opinion is no. A person's moral/ethical code is separate from religious dis/belief (not mutually exclusive, but not a requirement for ethical behavior.)

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  3. serpentina

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    And look how many swamis and lamas have got busted for sexual advances and abuse toward their followers.
     
  4. serpentina

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    Interesting book by Jeffrey Kripal of Rice University on the relationship between spirituality and morality:
    Crossing Boundaries: Essays on the Ethical Status of Mysticism, G. William Barnard and Jeffrey J. Kripal, eds. (New York: Seven Bridges Press/Chatham House, 2002).

    This volume emerged out of a long-standing debate about the relationship between mysticism and ethics that I have had with my close colleague and friend G. William Barnard of Southern Methodist University. Put much too simply, I hold that there is no necessary relationship between the two, and Bill holds that there is. It’s much more complicated than that, of course. Hence this collection of essays. Unfortunately, the press that published the volume went out of business shortly after the book appeared, so it is almost impossible to find now—a rare book! I wrote three essays for this volume, all of which develop my thesis that, although monistic mystical experiences may well grant access to deeper strata of reality (I suspect they do), such states of consciousness do not necessarily produce or lead to ethical behavior and are often, indeed, catalyzed by entirely non-moral or even immoral events (like car wrecks, antinomian rituals, and sexual trauma). Monism, after all, implies an erasure or annihilation of ultimate difference, whereas moral norms require multiple moral subjects and elaborate social structures to exist at all.
     
  5. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Define 'religious' and 'moral'. Do a survey in 99 different countries representing a fair cross-section of different world religions and faiths, and then come back with a percentage answer?

    It will also need to be broken down into rural/urban, rich/poor, educated/non-educated, male/female lbgtq, home owners/renters, employed/unemployed ... er
     
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  6. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Yes, sir! Right away!

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  7. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Power corrupts, and when you place powerful people beyond reproach with holier than thou protection, it goes exponential
     
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  8. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic)

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    Yes, good point.

    Buddhist doctrine contains this as well, for example in the grouping of the factors of the eightfold path into the three rubrics of ethics, wisdom, and meditation. Christianity summarizes the law as loving God and loving ones fellow human beings.

    I'd also point to the psychological term "projection" here. A family values politiciam may be so into publicly valuing these values, projecting them onto society at large, just because they are falling short of their own ideals...
     

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