Ulitmate Question!

Discussion in 'Belief and Spirituality' started by Postmaster, Jan 4, 2005.

  1. Postmaster

    Postmaster New Member

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    Ok I want everyone to answer this question for me, I want the whole community here to take part. What I want to know is which of you practice a religion? Which of you are spiritualists? And which of you are atheists? I hope Brian will also answer this question. Basically where do you fall in terms of views?



    Personally I'm a practicing Christian Greek Orthodox and respect all religions.
     
  2. KnightoftheRose

    KnightoftheRose New Member

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    Protestant. Heh, pretty generic answer...
     
  3. Vajradhara

    Vajradhara One of Many

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    Namaste Postmaster,


    many of us have explained our views in the Lounge section of the forum, which you may want to stop by and check out.

    to address the query...

    my tradition is called a Dharma, particularly, Buddhadharma as opposed to Sanatana Dharma, which you may know as Hinduism.
     
  4. Faithfulservant

    Faithfulservant New Member

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    Hi :)

    I'm a non-denominational Christian
     
  5. mirrorinthefog

    mirrorinthefog New Member

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    I don't practice any religion right now.
     
  6. Sacredstar

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    Dear Postmaster

    The religion of experience.

    Multi-faith and inter-faith

    Practice is life

    Life is a prayerful meditation.

    Love beyond measure

    Sacredstar
     
  7. ISFP

    ISFP New Member

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    i'm currently Quaker, though my back ground is Catholic and Lutheran.
     
  8. dauer

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    I'm a Jew. I think someday I might be a neo-hasid, but not today. Today I still consider myself a non-denominational Jew who sees beauty in all of the movements and flirts with somebody's heresy. Baruch Hashem for the heretics. Everybody is somebody else's. I'm far from Orthodox, far from Reform, far from Recon, far from Conservative, but I am also very close to all of them.

    I've been accused of being Deist. I'm not. I lean that way, and so does traditional Judaism, just much less.

    I've been accused by a non-Jew of applying my personal belief system to a Jewish framework. So what? Judaism is a very varied and personal religion that's defined more by guidelines to what one can believe than specific required beliefs. There is nothing ridiculously heretical about my position and enough people are close to it, further to the left or right, that I can say it's not so odd. "hides altar to Baal and blood stains on clothes."

    Now I have to go do cartwheels through Boston.


    Dauer
     
  9. Fenrus Grim

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    I'm pretty much an atheist....... although I am trying to keep an open mind.

    Fenrus Grim
     
  10. lunamoth

    lunamoth Episcopalian

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    B and R Episcopalian, several years agnostic, Baha'i for about 5 years, recently returned to Epsicopalian. Radical ecumenical. Don't fit in perfectly anywhere but figuring God won't hold it against me.
     
  11. Postmaster

    Postmaster New Member

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    All this talk about being non-denominational, does it make me a bad Christian if I'm an interdenominational? I just believe there is a universal truth in religion. However, it does seem to break the boundaries of my teachings there for, does that make me a full practicing Christian? Or does it make me more spiritual that I can accept other religions but less religious myself. The reason I find myself being interdenominational is because I can't bare the fact that millions of people on this earth are practicing a false religion. So I took myself out being supiror that comes with being "human" and seen a universal truth to the spiritual people that created the teachings. Even if it comes at a price of contradiction and hypocrisy. The reason I’m a practicing Christian Greek Orthodox, is because it was something I was born into and it is something I inherited. I would break more hearts converting then I would not and also that I'm happy with the religion because it allows my spiritual growth, which is fair to say many religions in the world would all allow spiritual positive growth.




     
  12. dauer

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    Pm,

    for me experience is universal, and there are no adequate words for some experience. In fact, our mythological language can in some ways shape that experience, or at least our understanding of it. It goes beyond words, and so all words are inadequate, and for our sake. It is here that religions differ. But all religions are faced with a sense of obligation to some sort of action based on the experience. All understand it in different ways. I think by saying experience I am being ambiguous. Some will have awe at existence, or the source of existence, however you'd like to put it. And this will be enough. Some will seek to transcend our dualistic understanding of existence. There are a number of ways to understand that lead to the same changes in action, only some experiences may be more extreme.

    That's my take.

    Dauer
     
  13. Postmaster

    Postmaster New Member

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    dauer

    Each person’s reality is different, and some people would not agree with what you say in the sense that words are adequate to express our thoughts and actions. However, I would have to agree with you on that, due to probably our realities being closer. That is why one person might read the bible and not see what the other does, same goes for all religious teachings. Most seem to note the positive (God) and the negative (Devil) and most seem to worship the positive. Negative being more potent, Positive being more powerful. Positive = love, Negative = hate. Many things in life tell us that we need a balance of both. So maybe the more positive we are, the more the negative is pulling us down to balance us out just as everything craves a balance. This could be the feeling of the test we all feel, whilst still giving love and peace.



     
  14. dauer

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    I did not say that. I said words are inadequate to express certain experiences, and that is why we differ in the way we convey those experiences, or come to understand them in the "larger picture" of things. Certainly some people will disagree me. That is why I say it is "my take."

    I think that is largely about what one has been brought up with, wants to find, is looking for, is open to, desires. But my position is that a text is only sacred because we make it so. However, if there is a divine plan then all texts are meant to be sacred for different people at different times.

    Dauer
     
  15. Postmaster

    Postmaster New Member

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    I totally agree with you, I was just pointing out off topic that some people might not agree. I'm basically trying to categories, there are people with faith yet there are people with no faith, people with no faith in say an after life (the most fundamental practice of faith) would probably accept that actions and thoughts can be described by words because of there materialist views and was just pointing out that I agree with you because our reality is closer because of our views or our views are closer because of our relality.
     
  16. Blue

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    I have only just seen this, so here is my brief answer.

    I do not adhere to, represent, or worship in the name of any recogniseable God, Church or Religion.

    I was a Christian until the age of fourteen, but at the moment of the laying on of hands by the Bishop at my 'Confirmation', I saw the light of 'reason'.

    My theism (- yes, I am not an atheist, as some seem to believe -) is purely personal, as is the path everyone else treads.

    Blind and unreasoning adherence to Religions has been the bane of humanity (from historical evidence), in my purely personal opinion.

    What needs to be recognised is the spiritual dimension within each of us... and that is likely to vary as much as individuals vary.

    I think you might find that Jesus of Nazareth said something like that too. Your personal heart (and soul?) is the creator and arbiter of your spirtual responses, and that is a fact. What the believers affirm is true for themselves... and that can be anything they conceive in their hearts.

    This is why all spiritual responses should be respected... in reason, and in the name of Humanity.
     
  17. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Staff Member

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    As a child I always had a sense of "something there" that was always beyond my senses and understanding.

    Nowdays I'm sort of Theist, Deist, Universalist, all in one and none at all - all the labels I encounter seem to fail to describe my position, and instead simply succeed in being divisive where I see no division. This applies to religion, too.

    In 1997 I did a spell of ascetism and had some rather mind-blowing spiritual experiences - direct Communion with God sort of thing. Also had some form of Near Death Experience when 18. Overall, I could probably start my own religion pretty easily, but I don't because:

    a) God said don't
    b) I'm British so I try to be modest
    c) I'm sometimes too cynical to believe myself. :)

    Currently extremely tied up in responsibilities of family and work, so I tend not to have time to reflect on the universe at the moment.
     
  18. Postmaster

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    Brian, I'll give you my opinion about you :).. You have the potential to expand your spirituality through religion or your own thoughts, however for the time being your lost and I think your enjoying the fact that you feel something is there but not acting on it. It’s like a comfort for you that there is something more but you won't go into. Could be wrong? I'm sure we all feel like that, personally that’s how I’ am. Why not create your own religion? You could but you probably won't get far if you don't have a divine gift of having a way with people, you never know though, you just might well.... I'm still waiting for Christ to come back :)

    Anyone can be a prophet
    1. A person who speaks by divine inspiration or as the interpreter through whom the will of a god is expressed.
    2. A person gifted with profound moral insight and exceptional powers of expression.
    3. A predictor; a soothsayer.
    4. The chief spokesperson of a movement or cause.
    But no one can be the son of God. I personally feel I have prophet elements to me. Although I know I won't be anyone great I know I have some trates.
     
  19. Sacredstar

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    Dear PM

    Very true in fact it is predicted in the bible that after the false prophets, GOD's children would become prophets.

    being love

    Sacredstar
     
  20. iBrian

    iBrian Peace, Love and Unity Staff Member

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    Indeed, it is a little hard to remain focussed on spiritual matters, when most of your time is spent on marketing. :)

    But life has many stages - this is a "distant" time in terms of feeling the spiritual, and difficult in that regard, too. But I see it as a wider plan - important ground work needs to be done to achieve ultimate selfless goals.

    As for prophets, prophesy, and starting own religions - it's always seemed a spiritual truth that we are all equal. Any attempt to set ourselves above that seems ultimately a self-serving act of egotism, no matter the justification.
     

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