Free will.

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  1. Bhagwan

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    now that science has proven free will is an illusion,will this be the key stone that brings religion down,?how can someone be judged if no free will?
     
  2. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Link? Citation?
     
  3. Aetius

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    We still have freewill just not libertarian freewill. We act according to our nature and since our nature is carnal we act in accordance with it.

    - Aetius
     
  4. Bhagwan

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    isnt free will part of the seperate self construct(illusion)?
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Science has proven?
     
  6. Bhagwan

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    there was a bbc program a guy was put in a MRI OR CT scanner and he was asked to make choices and they knew what choices he was going to make about four seconds before he actualy chose,and when he said i changed my mind they said we made you do that.
     
  7. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    I believe they are discussing free will...and doing experimentation we have read about. I see no scientific conclusion that free will does not exist.

    In your example...in that program...his mind had been made up 4 seconds before he activated a choice. If free will didn't exist and they were asking him to pick A or B, they should be able to tell us which he would pick, prior to him knowing what A or B were. Just because the scan sees the brain activity and the choice he made before he acted on it means nothing to me. But if you can find...you know how they do with science...a peer reviewed experiment that proves this, and then another experiment with another team, triple blind that validates it... I'd like to read the link.
     
  8. A Cup Of Tea

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    We make our choice before we are aware of it. It seems to me that the time in between is when we try to rationalize the choice we have made to fit either what is expected of us or what we expect from our self.
     
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  9. Bhagwan

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    what about the fact that we arn't creating any of the impulses in our brains
     
  10. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    No? Who is? Who just wrote that post? You couldn't help but respond that way eh? You are just a puppet with someone pulling the strings on your knuckles above the keyboard?
     
  11. A Cup Of Tea

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    there are no impulses in our brains?
     
  12. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    he is saying that we aren't creating the impulses...that we have no free will...

    So rapists, serial killers. and despot leaders should just be accepted...as it isn't them...
     
  13. wil

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    it either seems all quite circular...or belongs on the circular file... to me... currentlee....
     
  14. Thomas

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    No, because:
    a) it's not quite as simple as you assume, and
    b) science believes religion is 'hard-wired' in the brain, in that it's inevitable in a self-reflective consciousness, and
    c) science also believes religion will still be there when science is exhausted.
    (according to New Scientist)
     
  15. A Cup Of Tea

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    Every time I read 'science as done this' or 'believes that' I shudder a little.
     
  16. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    lol... As science peels the onion of the known they realize it is a mobius toroid tardis, as there is alway more unknown in than known known universe, seems religion is the same for the unknown universe.
     
  17. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    the drone world is about to explode...planting millions of trees...flying around our homes and neighborhoods as security... we saw what 1200 can do at the olympics.. they will be replacing fireworks shows... and soldiers in the battle field of wealthy nations... poorer causes will use them to replace suicide bombers... science has done this and the changes in the next decade will cause many of us to shudder.
     
  18. A Cup Of Tea

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    My pet peeve is that science is a system of thought and inquiry, it's not doing anything. By following certain principles people have developed our understanding of the world.
     
  19. Bhagwan

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    1.yes but wev.e created laws to protect society
    regarding free will.They did tell us what he picked prior to him chooseing
    the seperate self thinks it has free will
     
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    Well that didn't work...If I could edit, I would or delete...

    But...that always makes me think....guns don't kill people.

    Sometimes science makes awful things possible which would have ben impossible if no one followed the line of inquiry.
     

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