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The thing is I used to think it could be really cool to time travel say back and see some of those great moments in history.. but now, I'm thinking it could really be a hazard.. I mean you could be identified as a spy or a heretic ...

...A god, a hero, an over lord... Sure you could end up being seen as a spy or whatnot but you could advance the human race so days such as present in the past would seem primitive so in the future... You could be even more amazing ;D You could prevent wicked marks in our history from happening all sorts you could do, I personally would place myself as some kind of grand arch mage wizord! Inventor of Aspirin, The wheel, fire, sandwhiches, sugar, coffee, weed, flight and able to forsee future events! mowhwhwhaha. I think for me I'd be like that fat kid from the new film "Megamind" Titan, he was created with the best intentions from the pure essence of good, to be a hero and protect, shield and defend good and the people... But the power was just too much... lol And knowledge being power you send even the most average of person back they would have knowledge long time.

Had a dream like this recently... I went into the Sharpe TV series... (Napoleonic era) I lead a crack assassin/sniper unit of 17 drones we were all equipped with modern rifles and obviously could hand Napoleons Soldiers their asses. Would venture out in our ghillie suits and eliminate entire battalions and regiments on our own lol... Sometimes pure silence ( .338 rifles) or in a rain of fire!! If we got located (MG42's! :D)Became feared by all the French and heroes to all the British :D Anyways it was a cool dream.
 

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The thing is I used to think it could be really cool to time travel say back and see some of those great moments in history.. but now, I'm thinking it could really be a hazard.. I mean you could be identified as a spy or a heretic ... or some other thing and be tortured or lose your head ..or just succumb to the plague.

People didn't really live very long in the olden times and sanitation and taking baths was not that common..also there were raw sewage problems in the major cities.

Naw the more I think about it I think I'm better off where I am..er, that is "when I am". :)
Naw see, you would have the advantage. As an observer you keep your cards close to your chest. You also have the knowledge of sanitation. You could avoid much of the sicknesses. And your imune system is superior to that of those in the past. In fact, you could be the one that caused the "plague", hence your need to maintain a distance and sanitary habits for the sake of those you are observing...:eek:
 

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Definitely Rashaya, Lebanon about 9,500 B.C. as they setup the Neolithic Revolution.

Life must have been so much more community orientated at that point, it would have been the most amazing culture I can imagine.

See my post about Kharsag / Eden for more details.
 

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Ancient Egypt.........love the pyramids and the mummies.......
 

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Last Tuesday; this time I wouldn't buy those dodgy sandwiches...

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True. Ancient History in general, and Aryan history in particular.


Yes, the Aryan history, interesting for the right reasons - and not from 1939-45, maybe. I've just gone through genetic lineage mapping, and other 'trait' decoding from recent scientific research and studies, and with my blue eyes and dna (hair was golden blonde as youth but darkened later) have been informed that probably my ancestral tribal line goes as this: scando/viking 1000AD to 1000BC Rhine/Germanic 2000BC to 4000BC north west Mesopotamia 4000BC to 6000BC Curdish/Median also with routes leading to greater Asia 6000BC to 10000BC... Obviously this leads back to Africa via Arabian Coast etc etc etc... Very interesting to see where our tribal routes 'may' have come from and via where?!?

Tony D (UK since birth)
 

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Well why the Aryans in particular? I would love to be ther when the Indo-Aryans separate from the Irano-Aryans. Why? to see what the difference between the Sanatana Dharma and the Zoroastraism began. This is a crucial "pivot point" of history we know little about!
 

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Well why the Aryans in particular? I would love to be ther when the Indo-Aryans separate from the Irano-Aryans. Why? to see what the difference between the Sanatana Dharma and the Zoroastraism began. This is a crucial "pivot point" of history we know little about!


Well I noticed where Aupmanyav's location was, and considered there might be a forward search/interest from the Indo-Aryan beginnings, and also where some of it was located in the mid 20th century?!? It also coinsided with my own recent research efforts...

I wonder if that pivot point was related to some adverse weather conditions/changes or more of the violent earth stuff - which structured so much of that region (and a little bit further afield maybe) and the human changes that was born from those turbulent times...!!! Probably where most of the old testament mayhem was born and written thus...
 

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I also cannot think of a particular time in history I would want to visit.


Most of it maybe!?! Or, in fact, non of it, maybe?!? In reality I do not think many of us would last very long if miraculously transported back in time - to any of the great periods... I'm not sure when it was more violent: Then or now?!? For starters...
 

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I'm not sure when it was more violent: Then or now?!? For starters...

Good question, if you ask Wil here I think he'll say that things are getting better all the time. But the Jehovah Witnesses that comes by now and then say things are getting worse. I'm not sure how these things can be compared so I'll stick with 'things are different, no better or worse'.
 

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Violent? How did that get in here? But now that it is, it gives me the intro to make a comment I firmly believe to be true.

Humans are the sum of (roughly) three million years of biological evolution; with a couple thousand years of "civilization" overlaid on top of it. Things are no better or worse now than in earlier times, because we are not any different in any substantial way from our early ancestors.

Millions of years versus thousands of years. Methinks when push comes to shove, the former will take precedence over the latter most every time.
 

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Violent? How did that get in here?
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In reality I do not think many of us would last very long if [teleported back in time]

But now that it is, it gives me the intro to make a comment I firmly believe to be true.

Humans are the sum of (roughly) three million years of biological evolution; with a couple thousand years of "civilization" overlaid on top of it. Things are no better or worse now than in earlier times, because we are not any different in any substantial way from our early ancestors.

Millions of years versus thousands of years. Methinks when push comes to shove, the former will take precedence over the latter most every time.

I think the question can become very complicated, I would like someone like wil to coma and defend the position, I'm not very clear on it myself.
 

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I (for one) do not quite accept the argument. There are fewer wars today than in the past. The violent crime rate is lower. Yes, there are certainly more deaths due to violence, but in terms of global percentage Timur the Lame still beats even Stalin.
 

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Fewer wars than in the past? Guess it depends on which time frame one is talking about. War seems to be a constant throughout history. It's always happening somewhere on the globe. But without some more research I cannot really say one way or the other.

As for deaths due to violence. Again without more research I don't know. The racial, religious and ethnic purges/genocides of the past couple of decades seem to have racked up a pretty huge body count.

Even if you are correct, the degree of difference between the present and the past is not great enough to discount my theory. Humans are more like our ancestors than different. I would also postulate that a great deal of our biological past is repressed, not lost. Most people in industrialized nations have enough to get by. Many barely get by, but get by never the less. That is a result of technology.

Here's a what-if I would be interested in your response to. A massive solar flare wipes out every resistor on the planet. Are humans today more evolved to cope in a civilized way? Or would we see a near universal return to barbarism when the overlay of civilization is ripped away.
 

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Your thesis is interesting, yet unverified.

Resistors are immune to solar flares... make it chips. All of which are knocked out (cannot happen because some systems exist in hardened enclosures). But I will bite. China, Japan, and the USA race to manufacture replacements. Okay, it takes awhile.

Really this all boils down (like almost anything else) to personal judgment. I am an optimist who sees the glass as half full.

Thomas Hobbes once famously wrote:

"In such condition, there is no place for industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain: and consequently no culture of the earth; no navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by sea; no commodious building; no instruments of moving, and removing, such things as require much force; no knowledge of the face of the earth; no account of time; no arts; no letters; no society; and which is worst of all, continual fear, and danger of violent death; and the life of man, solitary, poor, nasty, brutish, and short."

To justify the foot of government on the neck of the people. And Thomas Malthus predicted "Yet in all societies, even those that are most vicious, the tendency to a virtuous attachment is so strong that there is a constant effort towards an increase of population. This constant effort as constantly tends to subject the lower classes of the society to distress and to prevent any great permanent amelioration of their condition".
History has not really vindicated either. The Spanish Civil War syndicalist-anarchist regions pretty much disproved Hobbes (Nazi-supplied bombs and tanks, not internal brutishness led to their defeat). Likewise unions, progressivism, and the “Green Revolution” has debunked Malthus. Their arguments were parallel to yours.
Did Russia collapse into barbarism in Operation Barbarossa? Did Sub-Saharan Africa collapse each time a colonial power left? Did the San Francisco earthquake and fire or Katrina bring out any more violence than was there before?
I think most XXth and XXIst century violence has been due to ideologies, not the innate nature of man. Of course, so were the Crusades, the Genocide of the Americas, the radicalization of Pakistan (which was founded as a non-religious state).
I will do some stats on this, look at the chart above (deaths in XXth century) and compare them to the percentages of deaths in other times and centuries of conflict and get back to you.
 

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Question, is anyone claiming that human have biologically evolved away from aggressive behaviour?
 

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Got pretty good data for deaths in war and total world population, 1816-1997. I was wrong, twice as many per 100,000 were killed 1900-1997 compared to 1816-1900. Any other data (global population or number killed by war earlier) would even be more questionable.
 
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