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  1. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea Well-Known Member

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    Really, wil, this discussion isn't familiar at all? Like it it comes around once or twice a year...
     
  2. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    My two braincells dont' always talk to each other... Do I go round and round like this every time?
     
  3. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    Says who nimrod?

    You are not the controller. You only express desires of your preferences and rejection of your un-desirables.

    Every moment you are obligated to preform actions that are called "Nature" IE crapping pissing and breathing.

    HOW DO YOU KNOW WHO YOUR REAL FATHER IS?
    Your Mother told you.

    If you think are declaring things based on your own opinion IT IS NOT TRUE... if you declare what is passed down by authorities, then you are a steward carrying out your obligations.

    Stop the flowery words and quote authority...then you become an expert.
     
  4. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    The 4 famous defects of the conditioned soul [aka, a spirit-soul in the material world, of repeated birth & death (aka, samsara)]:
    “The four flaws of the conditioned soul are: to make mistakes; to be illusioned; to cheat; to have imperfect senses”

    There are 8,400,000 species of life, spanning all forms of living creatures from amoebas in stool to demigods in celestrial abodes.

    The ego is temporary. The souls' identity is a blank slate that is an individual persona. The souls may cultivate service to Godhead [or nirvana] or it may seek work of every sort.

    "When a man gives up all varieties of desire for sense gratification, which arise from mental concoction, and when his mind, thus purified, finds satisfaction in the self alone, then he is said to be in pure transcendental consciousness.

    One who is not disturbed in mind even amidst the threefold miseries or elated when there is happiness, and who is free from attachment, fear and anger, is called a sage of steady mind."

    The threefold miseries are
    (1) those miseries which arise from the mind and body,
    (2) those miseries inflicted by other living beings, and
    (3) those miseries arising from natural catastrophes over which one has no control.
    http://vaniquotes.org/wiki/Threefold_miseries_are...

    While contemplating the objects of the senses, a person develops attachment for them, and from such attachment lust develops, and from lust anger arises.

    From anger, complete delusion arises, and from delusion bewilderment of memory. When memory is bewildered, intelligence is lost, and when intelligence is lost one falls down again into the material pool. -Gita 2.62-63
     
  5. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea Well-Known Member

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    No, not you.
    But isn't important, just wondered if you noticed what I noticed.
     
  6. Bhagwan

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    The illusion of a seperate self happens when you identify
    with your experience.The process of identification involves believing that there is an "i"
    that experiences phenomena.For example,there is identification if you believe that when a sound arises,there is an "i"
    that hears the sound.
    In reality,through direct experience,you can see that there is just hearing of the sound.
    The addition of an "i" that hears the sound is merely conceptual and is unnecessary.
     
  7. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    The ability to discriminate between what is butter and what is cream and what is milk and what is cheese is called "intelligence".
     
  8. Bhagwan

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    can you answer my question about drinking the concept water?
    what evidence have you got that i am a person?
     
  9. Bhagwan

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    there is no such thing as the past or the future.
     
  10. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea Well-Known Member

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    Bhagwan, I'm not sure the issue is with your metaphysics, but that you aren't explaining it very well. In one sentence you stat that there is no 'I' and in the next you write "i am a person". The inconsistency is troublesome. I don't you can do much in this discussion, no matter how much you want to explain, I would go back to the drawing board and work on how to articulate complex ideas.

    Best of luck either way.
     
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    Aussie Thoughts Just my 2 cents

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    For 9 months prior to my birth....
     
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  12. Bhagwan

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    Where did i write "I AM A PERSON"? ..............What is troublesome is people trying to be clever,and not looking at their experience,and how that differs from what their thoughts are saying.
     
  13. A Cup Of Tea

    A Cup Of Tea Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, I bet that is troublesome for you, but that is the reality you have to contend with, if you want to save us all from our delusions you have to be more clever about it.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Contemplating my illusion being imaginarily hungry, using imaginary fork to eat imaginary food...

    it has all made me imaginarily obese.

    and to use imaginary words, while typing on an imaginary laptop
     
  15. Bhagwan

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    So youve changed your name to be on here,does that mean you dont exist?
     
  16. Aussie Thoughts

    Aussie Thoughts Just my 2 cents

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    Coz web bots produce more methodical, focused and logical responses.
    God conceived it. It was so. Man partook thereof.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    I haven't changed my name...oops...lost again...but if I had...that also would mean nothing. My kids call me Dad, my Mom, son, my sister calls me brother, my niece Uncle...none of those change my existence...they just define our relationship.
     
  18. Bhagwan

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    youve just proved my point,it doesnt matter what we call things none of the story lines are true.
    i didnt say it changes existence.
     
  19. Bhagwan

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    Religion holds no truth
    Apparent others can't give you truth
    You can't find truth
    You ARE truth
    its effortless to see
    only thought says otherwise...................you stop your flowery words.
     
  20. Bhaktajan II

    Bhaktajan II Hare Krishna Yogi

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    "stop your flowery words."

    So a ghost strives to influence
     

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