LGBTQ Rights and Society

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  1. Thomas

    Thomas Administrator Admin

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    Nope, unlocked and open. Open until my daughters started closing the door, that's when I started closing the door.
     
  2. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Then bout the same way at my house...
     
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    Phyllis Sidhe_Uaine Junior Moderator, Intro Moderator

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    Now there are several kids who know another way to get extra days off of school: https://start.att.net/news/read/cat...hool_shuts_down_for_2_days_after_parent-rtime

    I wish that the so-called adults find themselves having to deal with offspring who end up living with them until they die because they're afraid of interaction with anyone even remotely different.

    Oh, and they're going to have to cut their entire family off of computers due to Turing!

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  7. The Artis Magistra

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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    Attraction it appears isn't something we have a lot of control over. When I was going thru puberty and suddenly had an interest in girls, others were doing the same and suddenly were attracted to guys.
     
  9. The Artis Magistra

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    Speaking of rights though, I've got to say, the more the State or Government stays out if anyones business and leaves them alone, reduces paperwork and authorization and obstruction and basically just stays out if the way, I'm more pleased. I can't stand how much darn interference and paperwork they make people do over every little thing or how they try to make things their business. So if two men or two women want to do just about anything together I fibd weird so long as its not destructive to children or others or animals or neighbors or outsiders, they should be given the full freedom of being ignored and not watched or attended to. The Government can be a pool of service to the people and their properties but not some force nosing its way into everything. I hate surveys, the census, privacy invasion, basically laws, restrictions, red tape, rudeness, obedience. I just want us all to mostly be our own sovereign kings and mini states and island nations and not have much to do with each other and just live happily in peace in our domains and travel and cross each other with decency and also not to know what goes on or talk about it much, like if a homosexual couple is going and doing something we think is alien or gross, I wouldn't have even known or thought to ask so long as there was talk of it being brought up, so I guess don't ask don't tell when it comes to legal issues or strangers. Businesses and hiring should also basically just give equal pay for services rendered and job positions and not try to rip people off who do the same exact job, what the heck is that all about? Craziness.

    So Freedom to worship what you want how you want so long as you are not yanking and forcing anyone else.

    Freedom to be in the company of who you want and if agreed sticking your genitals anywhere someone else agrees to, however hideous or weird, except if it causes harm, also if it causes harm to oneself and strains the healthcare system that might be an issue too or something worthy of a fine or punishment if its done knowingly.

    Like how irritating would it be that I'm sick and in need of help but some guy is in the way of my getting treatment because they did something knowingly and ended up needing hospital resources at the same time, but whatever, help everyone, but gosh I hate that the genuinely sick or in pain be delayed or ignored for creeps who did stupid things to themselves like were taking unreasonable and unecessary entertainment risks or something.

    As much as I may never see or hear from or feel the presence of the government or the law or the legal system or authorities and judges and cases and disputes, I'm more pleased, and prefer quite anarchy and being a recluse or hermit and no one knowing me or my business, me not knowing them or their business, just ships crossing in the night lol I don't know if I'm using that phrase right haha.

    Oh man, this world I'm proposing is making me happy. Its almost like how I live, except for taxes and paperwork I have to do and other things, I just love being cut off from constant horrible news on the news and tv, never seeing or hearing from the police or government who has always been a nuisance and a pain as far as I've seen them. One time I just walked out of my own apartment in a bathrobe on top wrapped up to check something outside after throwing trash and a scary black car crawled up and started asking me if I live here right outside of my door, and then the guy got out of the vehicle and started approaching me so I went inside and locked the doors. Apparently those maniacs were police though but wtf and that was so weird and pointless. They were being darn creepy and I don't recall hearing them identify themselves and even if they did, anyone can make up crap and be weird with people. Plus I'm right outside of my place in a bathrobe, do they think I'm some bathrobe criminal trying to get into a place after throwing trash for people and checking mail? So yeah, which is why I hate people getting in peoples business or thinking they are "trying to hide something" by not answering questions. Interrogations I've seen are even worse, where they try to trick people into falsely accepting lies so they can be punished for crimes they didn't do!

    How much more do I hate the idea of religious people visiting. Today some LDS Mormon girls came and I was looking for an Amazon package but it turned out to be them knocking, and so I asked them if they needed someone in the building, they asked if I knew some name they had, I said no, and that I've been living here for 5 years and its my unit so they left then. I hate religious solicitation, especially when its secretly or ultimately for a money grubbing organization or "tithes" and constantly gets in peoples business, but even worse then that I hate strict religions or religious laws imposed by humans, humans who I despise so much already (after the internet culture especially has really brought out some scum to interact with), like Muslim extremists or extremists of any sorts and Nazis and militant Atheists and Violent Satanists or Cultists and the whole lot of people obstructing anyone and bullying and forcing and harming people, I wish a swift death upon all of them.

    There is a group of Muslims called Salafi who are very much about ridiculous things like shaving mustaches and how high your pants or skirt legs fall above the ankle and crap no one should have any time for or believe God cares about. Its like a bunch of Pokemon league geeks have come together to try to shove arbitrary and frankly sinful rules and lies down everyone's throats. i hate those guys.

    On forums for Buddhists there are a ton of total jerks too all about "lineages" almost like martial arts elitists and all about ordination and not a free and open Buddhism bur strict ranking and division and monk authority and blah blah. Can't stand them either.

    So yeah, if I was a homosexual, I'd absolutely want people to stay the heck out of my life and my business and to pursue whatever I'm interested in and to even talk about it if I want without trouble or consequences and to live with and marry and stick my genitals with my mate who wants me to do that, and that governments and groups of thugs should just stay out of it and leave everyone alone.

    Murderers and Terrorists are such a worthless lot, their targets are always stupid, and it always appears the ones on tv are the ones who are used as an excuse to make life worse with more and more evil laws and precautions which is silly totally. I hate the way Airline security is now, all of it, just because of sicko maniacs occassionally? Lame. Some person is allergic to peanuts so the cheapo Airlines shrunk the peanut bag into oblivion? Screw that!

    So as little interaction as I can have with this frustrating world, the better, and gays should be free and more importantly I should be free most of all!
     
  10. Arif Ghamiq

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    You are a fella with a lot on his mind
     
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    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    You are aware that the thought of heterosexual sex is sickening to some homosexuals?
     
  12. The Artis Magistra

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    I am not sure entirely if this stuff is running in my mind or if I just produce extensive running commentary after I see the subject. I think I may be good at formulating opinions and expressing them and giving reasonings, but that if I'm just sitting around I am not thinking of any of this stuff until it comes up in some way. I'm glitching and having a lot of slow loading and delayed issues suddenly with this website so it makes posting sort of unpleasant, which might be a relief for those who already find my presence and posts in just a few brief hours of my being here in total, to be an irritating nuisance and of no interest and not stimulating or thought-provoking or anything. I've already seen hints that people may have been reporting me in some way but its a typical response I get online just about anywhere.

    No idea why this website is suddenly exclusively loading so painfully slow for the last few days now.
     
  13. wil

    wil UNeyeR1 Moderator

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    You've done overloaded us! (Well me anyway tldr is the reality of the day, at best I skim.)
     
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  14. Thomas

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    Well speaking as a 'martial arts elitist', when I decided to study Japanese swordsmanship, I wanted a teacher who could demonstrate some authenticity, rather than someone who invents ... and I think Buddhists should very much do the same, there's an awful lot of popular nonsense that passes for Buddhism in the west.

    LOL, the point rather being, why are heterosexuals so interested in what homosexuals get up to, and the heterosexual fantasies about what they think homosexuals get up to ...

    Then let the world go ... :rolleyes:
     
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  15. The Artis Magistra

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    Yeah, its c
    Yeah, its completely understandable if my writing is just skimmed for a few sentences which pop out, and thats how it usually goes, and thank you for doing even that. I luckily don't have a primary need for every word of what I write to be read, but I do not like my expression suppressed since my writing like this is firstly and most importantly for me a practice for myself and my thinking processes to run through ideas and also de-stress in some ways. I'm glad I have even found such a method iin the first place, and that certain topics like this are stimulating enough for me to discuss (like I couldn't do this about sports for example, because not only do I not know about sports, but I also don't care at all about them and they don't excite or stimulate me or fascinate or interest me except why anyone is intrigued or obsessed with people running back and forth in some repetitive competition).

    As for homosexuality, or things which are somehow more interesting for me to wonder about, I am much more interested in hearing what people have to say and think.

    Prior to this period in time, from a pretty much international religious and cultural perspective, even possibly to the surprise of many people that it was even prohibited or greatly looked down upon by the Greeks, homosexuality has been generally maligned tremendously by most religions and used as an accusation against competing factions at times as well or as something associated with the worst things or demons.

    It is considered the stuff of demons or the daeva in Zoroastrianism, an abomination in Islam, despised among most Romans officially and discouraged among Greeks as improper, Buddhists are against it totally as well. In Christianity it would be considered a curse and in some ways a plague now by some. Among nations it was an act mainly considered among the most twisted, even if they otherwise tolerated pederastry or infanticide or other things we today may find hideous.

    The focus of the hatred and disdain towards these acts had something to do with the status of men, the role of genitals, the male beard and symbols of maturity, and the ideas of honor, dominance, and disgrace, as well as the expectations men were considered to meet almost as a duty.

    Because of this, some homosexuals tried to meet the pressures of their sex roles imposed by their cultures while also finding time to practice the sex acts they enjoyed in their spare time, even at great personal risk.

    Buddhism became popular despite its anti-sexual stance, but still found homosexuality more vile than sex which they tolerated or permitted for the lay population.

    What is it about two men rubbing their genitals together or sticking their genitals in or around other males that seems to bother every other human being so much?

    Maybe its a perception of aggression? I'd be annoyed if women had some sort of invasive tentacle flying around constantly, but it can't merely be that, can it?

    In any case, in this Post-Sodom world, it may be that now is the best period so far for homosexuals and its getting better all the time as compared to the increasingly remote past.
     
  16. RJM Corbet

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    Ole' bigender androgyne and neutosis river [​IMG] demiagender (with third gender) just keeps rollin' along ...
     
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  17. The Artis Magistra

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    I have for the most part increasingly made my interaction with the world limited or limited the irritating aspects. One of the next things to do maybe is get a car to avoid the bus and other public transit, but the drivers here are very dangerous and obnoxious as well.

    The heterosexuals, or dominant bunch of average humans, projects their worldview onto everything, and when something doesn't seem to fit or turns out alien seeming, they attack it like an immune defense system and try to bully it back into place as no longer a noticeable issue, practicallt anything that sticks out or seems unusual or minority is deemed an abberation and a threat and they naturally want to stomp it and flatten it into normalcy and a group they can get along with because its "like me". Its similar to how religions work as well and why they might proselytize, based on the same drive to propagate and generate a greater pool of like-minded individuals.

    As for men's (sometimes perceived as phallic) attraction to swords and extensions of their (sometimes perceived as natural) aggression, I think that some theorists have proposed some kind of sexual drive moving within the psychology of close combat and dominance acts. Similarly, Tradition and Traditional Education is perceived as a legitimizing factor to further substantiate or justify dominance claims. I don't disagree with it or the feeling of respect one might have from a lineage as compared to a New Age innovation, even if one ultimately trumps the other in its ability to be inclusive and flexible.

    Thus, coming back around to tradition, the tradition of most humanity regarding homosexuality is that it is vile and prohibited, just like an innovation regarding certain autgentic or official or permitted forms or moves in the combat training of certain schools.

    The dominant or orthodox school simply didn't like that new moves were coming in onto the scene, moves the old masters of sex were perhaps unwilling ir unable to comfortably perform.

    Homosexuals can consider themselves a very special school of ancient sexual arts, where men learn to value men as mutually sexually attractive. Lol I almost made myself shudder.
     
  18. The Artis Magistra

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    The amount of terms some people are trying to force people to learn
    is potentially going to end up reversing things somewhat due to frustration.

    I think people secretly or openly want to punch trans people in the face for asking them to conform to new pronouns or ways of referring to them. There is a lot of stubborness and attempts to make people do what they don't want to do, which is change much.

    How it will go through is if schools officially train children, and then the old angry people will just die off and the kids will know and use all the "proper" new politically correct and official modes of speech and reference, even if there are a million.

    The trans organization which wants to be dominant has to figure out their official list and then try to force government legislation forcing schools to teach it as part of official pronouns to the children and that should be the end of that, the rest is just waiting for the rest of the resistance to fade away.

    "Mom! You can't call sheim that! You're embarassing me! You have to call sheim by the proper pronoun! Didn't you learn this in school too? I'm so sorry mheim, my Mother just made a mistake, it won't happen again."

    The aspects of change that receives the most resistance are probably the ones to do with changing habits of speech and behavior, just like I get pretty patriotic when it comes to defending my right to long posts and expressing myself at length and feel very much hostile towards efforts of suppression or deletion of my free and extensive communication or creativity. So when people start doing the Dr.Evil shh shh shush thing to others, it really tends to get on the nerves.
     
  19. Thomas

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    Yes, this is a trait common to humanity, and is evident everywhere.

    LOL, can you direct me to any scholarly research on that subject?

    One of the problems is 'homosexual', like any gender-oriented definition, is it's quite a modern term in its definition and understanding, and distorts the view backwards when we look into history.

    In medieval Japan, for example, same-sex unions between men were commonplace, in fact I don't know of a single major player in the history of the samurai who did not have his male bedfellows. Not one ...

    But these men weren't homosexual in the contemporary sense, they were simply sexually active, and were not bound by the contemporary taboos surrounding same-sex relationships. So they had male companions, and female companions.

    I think the same can be said for ancient Greece, and for Europe throughout most of the Middle and later ages, much as it was kept quiet.
     
  20. The Artis Magistra

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    Why was it kept quiet if considered acceptable, approved of, and normal? How was a minority of people opposed to sex between two men able to so actively suppress the majority of men having sex with other men?

    The Greeks and Japanese were practicing pederastry, they were having sexual relations with children they considered not yet men, which today is considered even more hideous than adult male or female homosexuality. Pedophilia was acceptable in these cultures, and among the Japanese l, still seems to be something they are fond of, even though its overtly not legal to molest children or have under-age sexual relations, it was the age in the past which made it permissable to some and allowed in some cultures.
    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_Japan

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pederasty_in_ancient_Greece

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athenian_pederasty

    https://www.stmuhistorymedia.org/ancient-greek-pederasty-education-or-exploitation/

    https://www.livius.org/articles/concept/greek-homosexuality/

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

    https://www.boywiki.org/en/Pederasty_in_the_Muslim_world

    https://history.stackexchange.com/questions/549/pedophilia-in-ancient-greek-and-roman-culture

    https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=109501

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Greece

    https://www.ancient-origins.net/history/homosexuality-ancient-greece-0011232

    https://www.livius.org/articles/concept/greek-homosexuality/

    https://www.gaystarnews.com/article/truth-about-sexuality-ancient-greece-and-rome261012/amp/

    https://www.pinknews.co.uk/2017/12/15/thought-ancient-greece-was-a-gay-utopia-think-again/amp/

    Today, such activities may be considered exploitation and manipulation of vulnerable classes of people by sexual predators, institutionalized by corrupt power structures.

    Even today, young children are raped by Buddhist monks as part of an institutionalized and hushed up internal "norm" but of course they hide because they fear being slaughtered and despised. In the case of the blatant spread of exploitation of subservient classes and minors, it was a wholly corrupt power system protecting it.

    Its like a culture where rape becomes perfectly acceptable or normal and women are just asked to take it because thats their duty and purpose and part of being a woman.

    In the case of the first pervert pedophiles, they simply say they went through it and keep transmitting the hideous tradition and writing poetry about it, or do you think my view on it is a bit too dark?

    I think that there are people who want their own daughters to sexually service them and their genitalia, and really, what is wrong with any of this?

    Why does it emerge among humans to hate with such a passion things like pedophilia, beastiality, homosexuality, and rape? Not only are all these things pragmatic and natural inclinations for some creatures, but we have the animal sages teaching us to do what they do too right?

    The Samurai, and the Buddhists, back then, and today, were at times seemingly abusing their power in a very open way to oppress portions of the population. They are Romanticized now like the monstrous Spartans in the way they treated the Helots, and even today hot shot rich kids in fancy schools as part of elite societies and fraternities are given an institutionalized nod "aww boyz'll be boyz".

    Yet even these scumbag groups of people preying on children and slaves somehow publically denounced homosexuality when they had every opportunity to simply make it officially acceptable and approved. Why was it such a problem for them to do so?

    Well it seems the main issue was to do with authority structures and rank. Two men having sex just seemed like total anarchy, who was the boss? Who was the leader? Which is the real man and king? The penetrator and aggressor must be, and the other one is made submissive like a woman, but how can there be this dynamic among equals? It was impossible, and women are not the equals of men, so neither can submissive partners being penetrated like women be the equals of men. This must have been the thinking, but then why did Zoroastrians link it with Demons? Why did Buddhists officially condemn it? Why did Christians and Jews speak out against it? Also the Muslims? Why did ordinary societies outside of these religions seem to only accept pederasty and un-equal structures at most and in the minority?

    Also, for the stuff about swords and aggression, thats just stuff people say, and Freudian type stuff which has become popular for people to say in various cultures, men with big weapons compensating as symbols of their genitalia, but its not a scholarly thing, though surely some academics have mentioned the idea very popular in culture, media, literature, and in conversations.
     

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