Faith and reason

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  1. Thomas

    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    It's commonly assumed that faith is 'blind'; the last resort of the ignorant and the superstitious; 'a leap beyond reason' as declared by Soren Kierkegaard — good to hear Professor Keith Ward declare that faith is precisely a trust in reason ...
     
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    Keith Ward takes on the New Atheists in this presentation, but actually it covers a lot more ground, bringing in Christianity in a Quantum Cosmos.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    With most of the world being religious wouldn't that actually be uncommon?

    We've got Christians, Muslims, Hindus etc...each of those outnumber the atheists and agnostics in the world.
     
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    I've said it before...many atheists and the new atheists in particular crack me up...they read religious texts as literal as a staunch fundamentalist Christian, or Muslim.
     
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    We are told many times in The Quran to use our 'Aql (Reason, Intellect).

    We are also told in Quran to engage in Tafakkur (Reflection, Thinking, Pondering).

    Faith should not be - for the Muslim - contrary to, or against Reason.
     
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    OK. It's the common assumption here.
     
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    I'd say it might be a common belief amongst non believers...

    Since you have more nonreligious than religious that would make sense I suppose.

    Would you also say the commonly assumed amongst the religious is something along the lines that not believing in G!d is ignorant? Or do the religious revere and honor the atheists as intelligent thinkers?

    It seems fairly common that groups that don't believe the same tend to deride and attempt to diminish folks the beliefs of folks that don't believe as they...
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    I think when you're down on your knees and you finally cry out: God help me, that God will respond to that first step of yours by taking the other nine steps towards you. Then and only then will you know God is really there. As a reality. And the rest of your existence will be absorbing the complete understand that faith is safely letting God take over completely. Imo

    In any faith or place or time.

    But we have to ask first.
     
  9. Thomas

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    I've heard believers here criticise what they perceive as 'blind faith' among believers who accept in faith rather than question for questioning's sake.

    Not in my experience. It's more a sorrow.

    I don't think either side much considers the intelligence or thinking capacity of the other.

    Generally I'd say atheists think theists lack common sense, whilst theists think atheists lack faith.

    But in the spirit of IO we should try not to do that here.
     
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    Absolutely
     
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    Agree
     
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