For those pantheists

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  1. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Wishing radarmark was on the radar...

    contemplating the few times the one in the same body, same identity was not recognized by his closest followers and wondering how many times he has been unrecognized....
    John 20:15, 21:4
    Luke 24:13-35
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    The idea of a human birth being greatly difficult to attain is probably usually forgotten? In general the concept of reincarnation seems to be: Oh, I'll get another chance to get it right, so ...

    I'd always thought of reincarnation meaning reincarnation upon the planet earth. Where it becomes rebirth into infinite possible other states and dimensions and universes -- which seems far more likely -- it changes the meaning quite a lot, imo.

    It becomes the progress upward or downward of the soul, in other dimensions -- many mansions -- and seems more likely than simple heaven hell or purgatory?

    I like the idea that a human incarnation on planet earth provides a unique opportunity to achieve paradise/nirvana/Braman in this life.

    It's discussions like this that show how different faiths are often really saying the same thing, imo.

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    wil UNeyeR1

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    I've stated before my personal parable...

    Your parents telling you you can't get any more toys until you learn to take care of the ones you have...

    That we've been given this meat suit, a big blue ball to run around on, and a lot of classmates to play with...

    Until we learn to respect and take care of all three we will be held back at this grade level as we are not prepared for the lessons in the next plane of existence.

    Appears we will be at this for a bit.
     
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    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    Exactly! The Perennialists blame the Theosophists for promulgating this erroneous teaching.

    Quite. The comfortable assumption that one keeps getting a bite of the cherry until one gets it right.

    Factor in its all happening simultaneously, and it get's quite mind-expanding.

    I think they're both right ...

    LOL, worries me, at times ...

    Yep, as long as one is aware of the differences, and don't try and roll them all into one ball.
     
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    You and your rose-tinted specs!
     
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    The following is a bit long ... but it rocks my world ...

    Jean Borella, Gnosis and anti-Christian Gnosis, "Modern Gnosticism"
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    I'll not forget that.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    So not same same body...
     
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    No, quite the opposite ...
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    Hence my confusion
     
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    OK ...

    The point Borella is making is we are not in control of our own appearance in the world. (We can work out at the gym and diet, have cosmetic surgery, we can hide, etc., but all this is irrelevant and after the fact.)

    We do not own ourselves, we are not in possession of ourselves, we cannot stop being seen ... we are subject to the conditions of the world in which we find ourselves, and there's nothing we can do about it.

    The post-Resurrection Christ is totally in control of His appearance in the world, because He is in it and, simultaneously, He transcends it.

    He is no longer subject to the world, He is no longer bound by the conditions of this world.
     
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    So Jesus was a shapeshifter when he returned?

    And then became recognizable and showed his hands?
     
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    No.

    No.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    Yet same body..... Trying to work thru what you are saying..
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    It's the bodhisattva thing. Imo.

    An ascended being able to manifest or dematetialize a material body. Like Babaji in Yogananda's 'Autobiography of a Yogi'. Or the Count Germain cult. It's the central principle of Taoist and Kundalini yogas.

    It is the enlightened (immortal) being who denies himself nirvana and chooses to continue to work in the material world until all sentient beings are rescued.

    But I am not comparing the risen Christ to these 'bodhisattvas' except by way of the explanation. Some people would try to.
     
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    So beyond movie connotations of various super powers...(or maybe not)

    In the eyes of others Jesus was not a shape shifter but could change his appearance.

    This seems to be a common problem with me and my understanding of what others understand.
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    It's easy enough to understand. You don't have to believe ...
     
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    Lol, for most of my life preachers, religious folks insisted it was the other way around
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    Both of those ascended masters?
     

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