For those pantheists

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  1. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    Their adherents believe so

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Djwal_Khul

    'The Tibetan' (above) is supposed to have dictated large volumes of literature to Madame Blavatsky and to Alice Bailey, founders of Theosophy.

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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    They think about The Christ as just another ascended master ... unfortunately. Greatly mislead, imo ...
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    As an atheist believes in just one less G!d than Abrahamics... ...and Muslims and Jews believe in one less ascended masters than Christians...They believe in just a few more ascended masters than Christians

    Again, I still have issues with knowing that what I believe is obviously right and the other 3000 beliefs are obviously wrong.

    Still falling fully into the I just don't know camp, golden rule rules...
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    You're quite right of course.
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    It started with the 'shapeshifter' body of the Christ after his resurrection. You apparently had difficulty understanding the concept. And so I tried to offer examples from other beliefs.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    My problem was from...

    Thomas- Not reincarnated, resurrected into the same same body

    Wil - Why didn't they recognize him?

    T- Long quote saying he was in control of his appearance...

    W- So a shape shifter?

    T- No

    And here we sit.
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    Perhaps he didn't choose to be recognised until he chose to be recognised? Before his death, as Jesus during his ministry, he sometimes walked out/away from amongst them -- when he wished to move along.

    His incarnation was precisely placed, every thing he did was precise to complete the circle of partial truth, and establish truth complete and fulfilled. The veil of the temple was torn ...

    You can't deal with this stuff as materialistic logic.
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    ... a shape shifter?

    The Christ
     
  9. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Lol. Your answer would work "magic" or he has super powers (shape shifted, made himself look different)

    But I always find it interesting "their are no contradictions in the Bible" (or my religion)

    And then after a number of questions when answers become circular.

    You can't use logic, or physics, or science, or words (back to you have to believe)

    But what is materialistic logic? As opposed to just logic? Is there a spiritual logic?
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    There are spiritual laws. Yes. One is that you have to ask. Sermon on the mount. You have to need. Christ is for the poor and lost and broken hearted. Not as a discussion point for smart privileged urban 'new atheists'. God probably is not going to dance to prove (himself) to satisfy anyone's vague curiosity. 'We piped but you would not dance.'

    Enough now.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    I'll just ask again. You said materialistic logic... Whst is materialistic logic, vs logic, vs spiritual logic?

    I am not asking for G!d to prove herself, I am asking for the statements made to be cohesive and coherent.

    Lol, me thinks he would not be happy to hear this...
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    lol, i referred to the sermon on the mount just recently as in why do Christians insist on putting up the ten commandments...why is the SOTM/beatitudes not what we strive for?

    Is this an answer to non materialistic logic?
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    Spiritual logic may not agree with materialistic logic? Imo God feeds the ravens.
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    If we're using fantasy analogies, I'd say it's more like Obi Wan in Star Wars ('these are not the droids you're looking for'), or perhaps, if you know spy fiction, it's like George Smiley's capacity to vanish into the crowd.

    But the shape-shifter? Basically you're saying He put on a disguise?

    But we're not talking circus tricks or Darren Brown here, we're talking Scripture.

    Where Scripture seems to suggest an enigma, a contradiction, an error, then the odds are it's something like a koan, it's a key. That what the parables are really, just extended or narrative koans. 'Let those with eyes to see'.

    Have you ever been in a position where a 'celebrity' enters the room (I was when Simon Callow into a packed hall). Certain people, they are larger-than-life, they steal the show, as it were, they become the centre of attention. They have worked on and created an aura, if you will, it's neither chance, nor does it happen naturally. It's a process.

    It's neither inconceivable nor impossible therefore that the opposite of 'celebrity' could be the case, that someone can become anonymous if they so choose, without resorting to a magician's tricks.

    Furthermore, there's a difference between 'seeing' and 'recognising', for instance. We see far, far more than we grock.

    Think of the old mafia maxim: One witness, you're in trouble, three or more, you're home free, they'll all have seen something different.

    Add to that people do not always recognise what they do see, nor is what they think they've seen necessarily what they're looking at ... so seeing, perceiving, recognising ... it's all rather nebulous.

    And over and above all that, Borella is making a profound point. We are not in possession of our presence in the world. It's not ours, it belongs to the world. We cannot avoid being seen. As a famous philosopher said: "you cannot not communicate".

    After the Resurrection, Christ IS just that, He is in complete possession of Himself in the world, so much so that He's not bound by the Laws of Physics, He transcends the Laws — He does not break them, BTW, He transcends them.
     
  17. Bhaktajan II

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    If you wanted to move to and live in a mansion ---what pre-info would you like so that you can consider actually going there?

    Faith? How about photos and reviews and google earth shots etc etc etc.

    How much have you learned about purgatory?
    How much have you learned about hell?
    How much have you learned about heaven?

    Which location are you already versed in?

    You must know [as you would in real life] know what to expect based on final know how ---lest when you get there you lament you'd rather go back where you once were. Worse still is to arrive with no expectations and no memory of where you came from...just a new acclimation routine.
     
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    Bhaktajan II Active Member

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    I agree with Thomas. The body and mind and ego are lost to a soul when the body dies.

    I say the soul takes another body in a new birth and starts as a clean slate [though samskara pangs linger].

    But an avatar of Godhead does not loose their personage at death but are in complete possession of Himself, in or out of material cosmos or in or out of the spiritual sky beyond the material cosmic manifestion.
     
  19. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    Or perhaps we're like 4yr old children at pre-school, making a lot of noise and not allowed to go out the gate alone in case we get hit by a bus, or abducted, or lost -- because we have no idea of the forces outside this dimension in which we grow and learn what we need to progress onward and upward? Forever. Whether we wish to learn or not. Existence forces us to?

    Perhaps like everything else we experience, there can be no going back?
     
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    RJM Corbet Deus Pascus Corvus

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    Perhaps you and I must one day become angels, and then gods? Impossible to resist the upward pull of our existence?
     
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