Which Early Christian Heresy are You (good silly fun quiz)

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  1. Thomas

    Thomas Administrator Admin

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    have you been down my dustbin? :mad:
     
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  2. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    All power to your vocabulary @Thomas. ;)I look forward to your reply to @Cino 'What is love'? Take as long as you need and use as many pages you need, lol ...
     
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  3. Thomas

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    The ancient Greeks distinguished four ways of love: erao "to be in love with, to desire passionately or sexually;" phileo "have affection for;" agapao "have regard for, be contented with;" and stergo, used especially of the love of parents and children or a ruler and his subjects.

    In a discussion of love, rather than explore the many types, it's simpler to refer to perhaps the most famous two: eros and agape.

    Eros was initially a primordial god, then in later mythologies he was the son of Aphrodite and perhaps Zeus, or Ares. Eros was depicted as often carrying a lyre or bow and arrow:

    (Hera to Athena:) "We must have a word with Aphrodite. Let us go together and ask her to persuade her boy (Eros), if that is possible, to loose an arrow at Aeetes’ daughter, Medea of the many spells, and make her fall in love with Jason... " (Apollonius of Rhodes, Argonautica, a Greek epic of the 3rd century BC)

    "He (Eros) smites maids’ breasts with unknown heat, and bids the very gods leave heaven and dwell on earth in borrowed forms." (Seneca, Phaedra)

    "Once, when Venus’ son (Eros) was kissing her, his quiver dangling down, a jutting arrow, unbeknown, had grazed her breast. She pushed the boy away. In fact the wound was deeper than it seemed, though unperceived at first. (And she became) enraptured by the beauty of a man (Adonis)." (Ovid, Metamorphoses)

    "Eros drove Dionysos mad for the girl (Aura) with the delicious wound of his arrow, then curving his wings flew lightly to Olympus." (Nonnus, Dionysiaca, a Greek epic of the 5th century AD)

    Eros then implies a passionate, often sexual, desire. It is described as 'acquisitive love' and egocentric, the person 'struck' by Eros' arrow wants the object of his/her desire.

    In a Platonic sense, it's brought about as a response to the merits of the object of desire – such as goodness or beauty – and eros is not necessarily sexual. In Plato’s discussion in the Symposium, Socrates understands sexual desire to be a deficient response to physical beauty, a response which ought to be refined and developed into a response to the beauty of a person’s soul and, ultimately, into a response to the form, Beauty.

    In the spiritual sense, eros is a love that imposes itself upon us. The Greeks considered eros as a kind of intoxication, the overpowering of reason by a 'divine madness' which carries us away into some order of sublime experience, and this ecstatic transport was a characteristic of the Mystery Cults of the ancient world.

    Agape was a term rarely used in the world of antiquity, but took centre stage in the New Testament. Agape implied a love that is self-willed, and furthermore that order of love was 'unconditional' or 'selfless' in the sense of the complete gift of self — the 'opening' of the self, or the 'unveiling of the heart' — to the other, regardless of circumstance.

    There is a trinity of terms the describe Christian conversion: Agape, Kenosis, Metanoia

    Agape then is not easy. It requires self-denial, self-discipline, selfless service. It's greatest virtue is humility or, as Eckhart would have it, detachment. It is kenosis, the 'emptying' of the self from the heart, and thereby the opening of the heart to another (metanoia)

    Agape is not a response to an object of desire. In the paradigm case of Christianity's vision of God’s love, agape is spontaneous and unmotivated; it's not that we merit God's love, but rather that God’s nature is love.

    So my rather caustic critique of self-love is that kind of self-regard promoted by consumer-culture ideology.
     
  4. Namaste Jesus

    Namaste Jesus Praise the Lord and Enjoy the Chai Moderator

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    Whenever the subject of love comes up I'm always reminded of the famous Dr. Ruth. She had a radio call in show in the 70's and on one occasion a young fellow called in expressing his desire to have a physical relationship with his girlfriend. Dr. Ruth was a bit less than enthusiastic to say the least. "...but I love her," the young man said. To which Dr. Ruth replied, "You're confusing love with ejaculation...":D
     
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    I see trees of green, red roses too
    I see them bloom for me and you
    And I think to myself
    What a wonderful world

    I see skies of blue and clouds of white
    The bright blessed day, the dark sacred night
    And I think to myself
    What a wonderful world

    The colors of the rainbow, so pretty in the sky
    Are also on the faces of people goin' by
    I see friends shakin' hands, sayin'
    "How do you do?"
    They're really sayin',
    "I love you."

    I hear babies cry, I watch them grow
    They'll learn much more than I'll ever know
    And I think to myself
    What a wonderful world

    Yes, I think to myself
    What a wonderful world

    I hear babies cry, I watch them grow
    They'll learn much more than I'll ever know
    And I think to myself
    What a wonderful world

    Yes, I think to myself
    What a wonderful world
    What a wonderful world
     
  6. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens Admin

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    God is love
     
  7. serpentina

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    I'm a monophysite!
     
  8. Cino

    Cino Big Love! (Atheist mystic) Admin

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    Heretic!
     
  9. Thomas

    Thomas Administrator Admin

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    Oh dear, oh dear.

    If you could just be so kind as to pop your address and current location in a PM, we'll be right round :)

    Yours,

    Office of the Inquisition
     
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