Metaphysics of abundance

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  1. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    It is the way it goes! G!d has given couple dozen religions, broken down into a few thousand sects/denominations all so most of us can find the one that personally resonates, finds our connection with the eachness of the allness.

    You did, and I shall rejoice and be glad in it. But your universal truth is not mine, nor is it what billions of others resonate with. And mine is the same way...not for everyone, but it inspires, connects, for me. The thought tills my soil to allow bliss to bubble up, it occasionally provides me words to comfort the troubled.

    Maybe this is a religion for those biding their time, who like you and I rejected the conventional, until such a time when we are prepared to accept it? Obviously conjecture, but me, I enjoy the scenic overlooks and informational placards, the detours on the highway...
     
  2. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Repeat:
    I haven't read the dictionary. If it contains much of this sort of stuff, I'm not interested in doing so:
     
  3. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    @Thomas

    Thank you for explaining and enlightening.

    I just listened to that one talk and commented on what I got from it believing that by God he meant God and by prayer he meant prayer.

    It appears these terms as used by this speaker do not at all mean what simple folks like me take them to mean.

    So effectively the talk I heard wasn't the talk I thought I heard, and I would need to read through the Unity dictionary definitions to understand what he really meant.

    I actually feel a bit stupid for being conned.
     
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  4. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    How anyone could arrive at this definition is quite beyond me:

    The divine Trinity is known as Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Metaphysically we understand these to refer to mind, idea and expression, or thinker, thought and action.

    What utter tosh ...
     
  5. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Now that is hilarious.
     
  6. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Have a good laugh on me ...
     
  7. Thomas

    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    Well lets be clear here, the freedom of religious expression allowed by US law is the primary cause of the few thousand ... the 'metaphysics of abundance' again, the prosperity gospel, or religion as commercial enterprise.

    So many US denominations started out as outfits selling bible tracts, it very quickly established itself as a business model.

    As for belief/resonance — I have the same beef with Theosophy. In the prelim pages of "The Secret Doctrine" it says: 'The Is No Religion Higher Than Truth', but what Theosophists have stated here on IO is that's no longer the case, now what one chooses to believe take priority over what is to be believed. 'There is no religion higher than my opinion'.

    This is why Unity and its like will always be regarded as a 'boutique religion',with accusations of pick-n-mix, smorgasbord, cherry-picking, etc. Its appeal lies in the very fact no-one is obliged to accept what they choose not to — your own views expressed here, as RJM has stated, stand in stark contrast to what Unity actually states.

    It's religion without obligation.

    Or sitting on the fence :rolleyes:

    Oooh, Wil, careful, old chum. Such opens you to accusations of being a spiritual tourist
     
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    Thomas Well-Known Member

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    I know ... this did rather ruffle the hackles, only because the audience was being sold a pup.
     
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  9. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    I think the good laugh was the one Mike had when he got paid to paint the old man on that ceiling.
     
  10. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Could just be the nicest thing anyone has ever said... But on this journey on the big blue ball... It is what makes it worthwhile.
     
  11. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    "On the page Unity Metaphysics: 04 The Trinity, your presenter pulls a clever move on his audience by saying Unity uses a lot of the terms used in traditional Christianity, but has moved the idea on ... "(@Thomas)

    God
    doesn't mean God, prayer doesn't mean prayer, Trinity doesn't mean Trinity, Father doesn't mean Father, Son doesn't mean son ...

    You can call it hilarious, I call it something else
     
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  12. RJM Corbet

    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    It's symbolic and even then people understood it as such. Words only go so far trying to express truth. Beyond that symbols come into play.

    Deliberate misunderstanding
     
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  13. Bhaktajan II

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    Hindu Texts state God exists in three ways.
    He exists in three aspects which compose the entire cosmic phenomena [in my words]:
    A) The Void [or the field],
    B) the nucleus of every speck of animate & inanimate matter-energy, and,
    C) His own (Transcendental) Personage.

    A) Brahman,
    B) Param-atma,
    C) Bhagavan.


    In my wording:
    There are three steps on the Yoga-Ladder toward self-realisation.

    a "brahman" realisation:
    I] realisation of 'brahman/nirvana' as omnipresent & behind the rising & falling material elements/energy; and,
    II] as the stuff of which a soul is composed of.

    b "param-atma" realisation = God's localised life-forse presence in each soul.

    c "bhagavan" realisation = God's Absolute Personage, transcendent to the material world.


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahman

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paramatman

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagavan
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    You see, I battle to understand what this stuff really means:

    https://www.truthunity.net/rw/god

    "God is personal to us when we recognize Him within us as our indwelling life, intelligence, love, and power. There is a difference between a personal God and God personal to us. Since the word personal sometimes leads to misunderstanding, it would probably be better to speak of God individualized in man rather than of God personal to man.

    When we identify ourselves with Him as our indwelling Father, He seems to us to be personal; however, it is not in a personal sense, but in the universal identification of ourselves with Him that we come into the God consciousness. The personal is limited. The universal, or God consciousness, is unlimited ...

    There is a difference between a personal God and a God personal to us? What do the words mean? What is the intention of it?
     
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  15. wil

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    We are G!d expressed on earth...

    For G!d to work for us G!d must work thru us.

    Put the Christ mind in your mind.

    Yes, words have meanings, and often more than one meaning. As in the literal parable, and then the underlying story. As in the name of the tribes and then the meaning of the name.

    I questioned what was in the MBD, still do, but when I found the dictionary in tjr back of the family bible and saw many of the same definitions...when I stood in line at.the grocery store and picked out a baby name book, and saw John is love...
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Christ healed the sick and forgave sin. He gave the Lord's Prayer. Christ is the very essence of God as personal. His whole life and teaching was to demonstrate God as personal.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    But what is the 'Christ mind'? How do you know? Only Christ can show you. Christ may enter under your roof. In response to your prayer. But you can't 'put' it there.
    How can Christ work through you if Christ is not first in you? The point is you/Unity are using Christian scripture and terminology. It is your choice to do so.
     
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    What does it mean for "Christ is in you" ? Does it mean you repeat the magic words exactly like they are suppose to be said. Yes, I've taken the Lord Jesus Christ as my savior. But what does that mean other than blind obedience to the authorities in the church? Or idol worshiper words of the Bible with a complete disregard for what they mean? Why do people treat Jesus like their favorite NFL football team? It seems to be fandom and not genuine belief with meaning.
     
  19. Bhaktajan II

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    There is the seeker whose goal is "to relinquish their existence into nothingness" [aka Brahman] [via karma-yoga]
    There is the seeker whose goal is found in "the heart of all living beings" [aka Param-atma] [via jnana-yoga]
    There is the seeker whose goal is the Supreme Godhead [aka Bhagavan] [via Bhakti-yoga]


    FYI
    karma-yoga = the way of endeavors
    jnana-yoga = the way of intelligence
    Bhakti-yoga = the way of devotion
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Like it says in the video: pray constantly and be open to God? "Behold I stand at the door and knock."
     
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