I don't know what I don't know.

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  1. wil

    wil UNeyeR1

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    Yes a lot of folks disagree with MY interpretation, a lot of folks disagree with EVERY interpretation.

    I am not asking for it to be rewritten to MY specs, I am saying it should be labeled as a historical document by all major churches, in bold letters, NOT SCIENCE, NOT HISTORY, a compendium, a compilation of ancient books which contain mythology, parables, metaphor, exaggerations and is used as scripture thru thousands of different interpretations.

    This is an off the cuff answer, not completely unthought out, I believe you can understand my intent
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    Like the warning on cigarette packets? Who's going to label it? Whom should we lobby?
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    To me the trouble is that reasonable people get caught up by the antics of the lunatic fringe on both sides of the spectrum. So on one side people are rejecting, say science, because they say the Bible is the word of God, and on the other very young schoolchildren are being taught to read with books that have Daddy and Daddy, or Mummy and Mummy family situations, in the attempt to 'liberalize' their minds, and if Johnny comes to school in a frock today and calls himself Jeanie, that's fine, that's all good, quite a normal social interaction.

    A lot of people don't like that. It's indoctrination by any standard? It's driven by a very small minority. Imposed on the majority. There's no need for 'hard liberals' to force their agenda on everyone else, in the name of liberty.

    Well, they can do it, but there's going to a reaction from 'ordinary conventional folk'. So the 'hard liberals' are more than just a little bit responsible for the rise of the 'hard conservatives'?

    Ok, so then they are complaining that creationists are trying to impose their own idealogy on the education establishment? It cuts both ways. IMO
     
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    There were plenty of gays and lesbians in Jesus time...and he never thought it was important enough to speak of it. Or if he did his followers never thought it important enough to write down.

    I am a 60 year old cis white male,.raised in a family and society that was misogynist, bigoted , racist against blacks and had many negative preconceived notions about lgtbq folk. As I've grown, lived and traveled I've learned it all.to be BS and mostly stemming from unfamiliarity and fear of the unknown. I thank G!d I learned to reject those notions of my youth. (Note none of my experience has made be gay, female or black, I've only learned that none of these are choices...but prejudices are!)
     
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    LOL, lots of genres: spiritual guidance, wisdom, insight, poetry, prayer, proverbs, parables, lists and (it cannot be denied) science — the axioms of Abrahamic metaphysics, and history — it's talking about things that happened in the past!

    But nah, sticking labels on it won't work.

    People read what they want to read, no matter how sound, seasoned or sensible the advice or argument that they're barking up the wrong tree.

    Quite! And Unity is a prime example of just that: 'I don't like your interpretation, I'll make up my own', and this despite all the commentary, evidence, science and history that would suggest 'new thought' was a fad in its day and long passed it's sell-by date.

    Really ...

    ... when you boil it all down ...

    ... ... ... If you champion your right to interpret Scripture however you so choose, you're not really in any position to criticise others who do the same.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    I have NO problem with adult choices. My brother is gay, two of another of my brothers' children are gay, my cousin's daughter is happily married to another woman, they get no judgement from me. I love them all.

    But if you insist that schools foisting creationist ideas upon young children is not on, then you have to accept that a lot of parents do not want schools foisting single sex parent families upon their own very young children as perfectly normal social behaviour? It is not. Reasonable people believe adults have the right to their own choices, no problem. But when it comes to what is taught to their own young children in school, they feel they have a right to have a say?

    So, point is, how can anyone (not you) who insists on the right to impose their own particular minority values, complain when 'the other side' also wants to impose their own opposing minority values?
     
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    so you just said all those family members are abnormal.
     
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    wil UNeyeR1

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    every, EVERY interpretation of scripture is someone's interpretation.
     
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    RJM Corbet God Feeds the Ravens

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    They are different from the common norm. Like blind people are. It doesn’t make them abnormal in the sense you are using the word. They are adults who make their own choices. They are not underage children.

    I expected this. Because I do not support LGBT education for very young children obviously makes me a bigot and a racist.

    However it is quite fine for the small minority to force their education values on everyone else's young children, but very evil for the 'other side' to do the same thing.

    There are none so blind ...
     
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    Everything seen is someone' seeing ... everything heard is someone's hearing ... this is a non-argument.
     
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    Really? Your evidence for that? I'm not necessarily disputing, I just wonder whether that's factual or an assumption.

    So am I.

    So was I. Not KKK you understand, but what we call 'casual —ism' over here. Dad expected to do the dad thing, mum the mum thing, etc. Bearing in mind my folks were Irish, and suffered their own degree of racism – no Irish, no blacks, no dogs was a common sight in rental accommodation — it's surprising how unconsciously and unwittingly racist people can be. My mum was a childminder for a West Indian family and they were close friends, but looking back from today's moral standpoint, the whole culture was pretty racist. The daughter of that Trinidadian family was my best pal growing up, and listening to her mum bang on about Nigerians was something else! So it goes ...

    Well a white cis male is about the most privileged thing on the planet, and travel broadens the mind, as they say.

    But many of our generation did not 'live', in the sense they grew up, left school, got a job, and followed in their parent's well-worn path. And many did not 'travel', so the local sociological patterns are laid down unconsciously.

    One of my daughters went to university and was staggered by the degree of casual racism, sexism, etc., among her contemporaries. What stood out is that, unlike her, they grew up in small towns and had no experience of 'others', their hometowns were predominantly white. They have all the advantages of a modern education, but they are racist, sexist, etc. Why? Because they've never actually been exposed to anything different.

    As a complete aside, most of the UK thinks that London is a different planet. Our friendgroup are gobsmacked to realise that the rest of the country does not share their liberal-left metrocentric views.

    Lucky for you ...

    LOL! My big sis thought I'd grow up gay — I'm not an 'alpha male' and didn't suffer too much teenage angst growing up because I grew up with three sisters and was comfortable in the presence of women, and also had learned how to read them and see through their shenanigans as much as my own gender's.

    I was 'hit on' quite a lot by predatory males growing up because I looked younger than my years. I remember the day, crossing a road in London that happened to be a hooker hangout, and was propositioned by a woman! Success! I've made it! I'd have high-fived her if I'd thought about it.

    But from that I've learned to understand why so many men conflate 'homosexual' and 'paedophile' — it's from such experiences. It never occurs to young men that older men who hit on them might actually be repressed heterosexuals.

    Anyway ... all our biographising is by-the-by ...
     
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    Yes on both counts.
    That it is
     

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