Thanks, I have downloaded it. We all need the mind of "beginners" but easier said than done. I will look up the chapter you are reading but really, don't expect any particular insight. As I have posted now a couple of times, I will be sticking to my own little thread on the Buddhist section regarding Saichi. Without saying much, I'm afraid some of the threads on this section are slipping into directions I personally find unpalatable, and - for me - pointless.